Re: Debian Desktop for a Joe Average
From: Martin Jungowski (jungowsk_at_in.tum.de)
Date: 09/30/03
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:59:46 +0200
Hi,
I have to admit that I don't know squat about Slackware. I have never
used it, apparantly it's pretty good though. A friend of mine says it's
"the only Linux he'll ever use" but I wouldn't count too much into that
- he also said that "Windows is going to be the only OS I'll ever use"
about two months ago.
What package management format is Slackware based upon? Also RPM or
something else? Because if it's RPM then Slackware is going to face the
very same problems every single RPM-based distribution out there is
facing.
MJ
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 18:48, J Y wrote:
> Hi, I am very interested in this topic even though I'm far from a linux
> expert. I agree with the dependency hell statement. I've used SuSE for
> 3-4 years now and while it has some good points (usability, stability)
> it is also very SuSE-centric when it comes to package management. I have
> the worst time particularly with tar.gz It seems like only one in
> thirty programs will ever actually compile correctly. In fact it becomes
> some game where I download a library or program that the ./configure
> results say is missing, and then that program won't install because it
> needs a program, and on and on into the night-day-week-month. Anyway
> even though the installer isn't pretty I found Slackware to be pretty
> usable. There is also suppose to be a package manager available
> "dropaline gnome" I may have the spelling wrong. I'm still trying to
> figure out pppd in Debian stable. I like debian though because I believe
> was always fighting the SuSE design when trying to work with it. I don't
> believe that's true with debian.
> Quoting Martin Jungowski <jungowsk@in.tum.de>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > That is not nonsense. I used to have Mandrake 8 running on one of my
> > computers and it sure as hell was dependency hell. Even with Mandrake's
> > own RPMs for Mandrake 8, I sometimes was unable to install software
> > because of
> >
> > - unmet dependencies: libraries could not be found even though they were
> > installed
> > - version conflicts: the package required library X version > 2.4.2 but
> > I had installed library X v. 2.4.3 or 2.4.2-1 and clearly... meh, you
> > see where this is goign
> > - verion conflicts: the package required other packages to be installed
> > that were either not available on the Mandrake CD-ROMs or the Mandrake
> > FTP-Server or once again, that dreaded version conflict hit me
> >
> > It was even worse when trying to avoid RPM dependency hell and compiling
> > software from scratch - again I was facing dependency issues (could not
> > find the library in /usr/lib even though it was there) or version
> > conflicts (2.4.2 vs. 2.4.2-1). Something always happened and kept me
> > from installing new software until some day, I finally had it up to here
> > *holding hand over head* and got rid of any RPM based distributions.
> >
> > But even today, I'm still running some. Since Debian-AMD64 is not
> > available yet, I'm running RedHat-AMD64, Mandrake-AMD64 and SuSE-AMD64
> > along with Debian unstable on my Opteron and once again, dependency hell
> > 24/7. They're all great (except for maybe SuSE, I don't really like
> > YaST2 or their "idea" of Linux) as long as one does not have to install
> > any additional software.
> >
> > MJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:33, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:07:53AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Gak! And send him into Dependency Hell?
> > >
> > > That's nonsense. People like to throw that crap out, but users cause it
> > > for themselves when they install RPM's from random places, same as
> Debian
> > > users cause it for themselves when they install DEB's from random
> places.
> > >
> > > Not that I recommend DeadRat to anyone, but Joe User isn't going to be
> > > going to rpmfind.net or anywhere else and installing random junk.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marc Wilson | If there was any justice in the world, "trust"
> > > msw@cox.net | would be a four-letter word.
> > >
> >
> >
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