Re: No to wine! (was:"Red Hat recommends...")

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To: Debian-User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:16:15 -0600

On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 12:49, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 10:22, Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
> > Christian Schnobrich wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 00:52, David Millet wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>Or not until wine begins running these and every windoze app that
> > >>everyone uses flawlessly, which hopefully happens soon.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nooooo!
> > > please.
> >
> >
> > Here's my take. I like to play games. I have lots of games. As you are
> > probably well aware, there's not many commercial games for Linux. So I
> > keep a copy of Windows XP on my computer so I can play them.
> >
> > If Wine could play all my games like they play in Windows, I could get
> > rid of my Windows partition completely, and be all the happier with
> > Linux as my main OS.
> >
> > And yes, I know about WineX. But it's not there yet, and I don't have
> > the funds to spend $5/month for something I may not use very often.
>
> I am a huge gamer and I do the same thing. HOWEVER, recalling my first
> experiences with Linux from about 2 years ago, I've found that having
> that crutch keeps you from looking for better alternatives.
>
> I had used Agent as my newsreader for years in Windows, and when I
> started using Linux the first thing that I did was install Wine and
> Agent. Luckily, I stumbled upon Pan later and have been quite happy with
> it since.
>
> I was also on the verge of installing (or trying to at least) ICQ, AIM,
> and friends under Wine so I could get in touch with people. Once again,
> I got lucky and ran across Gaim.
>
> And lets not forget that most people who decide to try Linux nowadays
> are generally doing so to get away from the instability of Windows. But
> ever since W2K, it's generally been the applications, NOT the OS, that's
> been crashing left and right. (At least in my experience.) Running a
> buggy app under Wine won't make it crash any less. It may well make it
> crash MORE.

I really love the analogy of comparing wine to a crutch. Because that
is exactly what it is. An as a crutch, we should not be trying to make
the crutch better, rather work on healing the leg so that the crutch is
not needed. In this case instead of making windows apps work under
linux, we make linux apps that are better. And to those companies who
will not port their products to linux, especially the games makers, we
tell them you can shove your windows krap, we will use a native product,
and even if the native one is not as good, I will still use it over you
product, so you either develop for us or go bankrupt. If we continue on
this "make linux able to run windows app" we give no insentive to
companies to develop for linux.

That as was said before OS/2 fell for the same reason. No one developed
for os/2, so win windows changed it's code and win-os/2 couldn't run the
new apps......well we know what happened. os/2 was too far behind with
it's native apps to catch up.

So use wine as a crutch if you wish, but never want it to be a full
product, or we will lose in the marketplace.

Wayne

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