Re: My email is rejected by some sites

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Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:27:12 -0800
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

on Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 04:12:07PM -0500, Debian User (debian-user@zerocrossings.com) wrote:
> At Tuesday, 16 December 2003, "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.
> com> wrote:
>
> >on Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 06:27:09PM -0800, Raquel Rice (raquel@thericehouse.
>
> >net) wrote:
> >
> >> I have a block of static IPs. I have the blessings of my provider.
> >> I was even asked to stop using their servers as a "smart host".
> >> Yet, my IP numbers are listed as being a range used as "Cable, DSL &
> >> Dial Ups" and mail from my server is being blocked by those who use
> >> SORBS. I do everything I can to keep my server locked down and not
> >> to be relayed through. I even go test it once in awhile to make
> >> sure there are no exploits open. Blocking an IP range just without
> >> knowing they are open relays or sending out spam is no better than
> >> arresting a black man because the police officer has some idiot
> >> belief that black men commit all crimes.
> >
> >Request your ISP remove your IPs from their residential/dynamic
> IP list.
> >
> >The lists used by other providers to filter dynamic IPs are provided by
> >the ISPs hosting those addresses.
> >
> >Alternatively, you may need to sign up for business service.
> >
> >You might consider retaliatory blocking as well.
> >
> >For background:
> >
> > http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=96264
> > http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/04/13/2215207.shtml?tid=120
> > http://www.marketingwonk.com/archives/2003/08/27/aol_sued_for_blocking_email/
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=aol+blocking+email
> >

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

For clarity and to support conversational discussion style, please use
bottom-posting format: your reply goes below the material cited. Trim
your quotes appropriately and ensure your attributions are accurate.

See:

    http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/email-style.html
    http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html
    http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/top-posting.html

Thank you.

Top-posting corrected.

> interesting articles.
>
> realisically, as i have some business domains on my server, i cannot
> prevent users from receiving email from aol et. al. accounts.

You could teergrube AOLs servers, slowing them down. If enough people
did this, they'd start getting the message. You'd still get mail from
them, but it would take, say, five minutes per message, rather than 0.2
seconds.

> furthermore, i have to use a friend's open relay as smarthost to get
> aol-bound email off my server.
>
> is there no other way to stop aol et. al. from blocking dynamic IPs?

You could sue them, as others have, mentioned in articles above. I'd
look at common carrier as grounds myself.

IANAL, TINLA, YADA.

Peace.

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