Re: Wish to network my home computers but don't know Jack about it

From: Kent West (westk_at_acu.edu)
Date: 12/19/03

  • Next message: mmissett: "Re: dial-up to ethernet"
    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:50:15 -0600
    To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
    
    

    Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

    >.
    >I am finally getting around to networking my family boxen (Christmas
    >present to myself) but haven't a clue about networking anything. I am
    >here asking for the most out-of-box networking solution for a home
    >situation. I am not as interested in speed as compatibility with the
    >existing spread of OSs which include Libranet Linux upgraded to Sid (my
    >box, of course), Win95, Win95 laptop, Win98 laptop, WinME, WinXP laptop,
    >and an old 486 with Win3.11 which may not get networked at all.
    >
    >Except for the 486 all boxen are Pentium 90 or better. Except for the
    >WinXP and Win98 boxen all the rest will be going Debian(well, Libranet's
    >version) as soon as some data can be swapped around. From a strictly
    >workman's point of view, I would much prefer wireless if the old OSs or
    >hardware can be made to support it.
    >
    >

    Each computer will need some sort of NIC (Network Interface Card,
    although I understand that IBM used to call it a Network Access Card, so
    perhaps NIC/NAC is more accurate :-) ). Most newer PCs have the NIC
    circuitry built into the motherboard nowadays, with an RJ-45 standard
    ethernet port on the back.

    The NIC can be either a wired nic, or a wireless nic. As a general rule,
    the wired nics are _much_ less expensive (I've seen them as cheap as $4
    new in Fry's, to more than $100); generally, the $14-$20 variety is
    quite adequate for a situation like yours. For the desktop, you just get
    a PCI (or ISA, if your computer only has ISA slots, in which case you
    may have to mess with jumpers or driver configuration programs) and plug
    it in. A wireless NIC is typically a PCMCIA wireless card for what you'd
    put into a laptop (or perhaps a CompactFlash device, etc), and if you
    wanted to use it in a non-laptop, you'd have to get a PCI adapter for it
    as well. These combos usually will cost in the neighborhood of $20-$35
    for the PCI adapter plus $60-$90 for the PCCard NIC, for a total of
    $80-$125. As you can see, the wired NIC is less expensive. (But shop
    around; I haven't in several months and perhaps things have changed.)

    I count 3 laptops in your list above, so you'll need 3 wireless cards
    that work in your laptop/OS (good luck on older machines/OSes! - perhaps
    the XP laptop is new enough to have wireless built-in, but probably
    not). For the other machines, you'll either have to get wireless cards
    that work with them, or get wired NICs and run some Category 5 (CAT5)
    cable, which is pretty much the only stuff you'll find in the networking
    section of most computer stores.

    To tie them all together, you'll need a switch/router. I count 7 boxes,
    so you'll need one that either has 8 ports, or you'll need one with four
    ports and the capability to support wireless for another four. (You need
    to leave one wired port free for your future broadband connection; you
    _will_ someday move to it; it's just too sweet compared to dial-up not
    to.) Or you can daisy-change smaller switches/routers (aka "hubs" in my
    vernacular, although not strictly accurate). If it were me, I'd
    definitely get one with wireless capability. The four-port versions with
    wireless run somewhere in the $60-$120 range; the non-wireless units
    about $10 or $20 less. Netgear, SMC, LinkSYS, should all be fine, and
    are common in the stores. I'd personally stay away from Microsoft units,
    but that's philosophical on my part; I don't want to send _any_ money
    their way if I can avoid it. You want it to have DHCP server
    capabilities, and probably a firewall (although not really necessary as
    long as you're not connecting to the outside world through it, and you
    could use your old 486 or some other computer as a firewall, but that's
    an extra step - getting it built into the switch/router is easier,
    albeit less flexible/adaptable/upgradeable).

    So basically you set up the switch/router in a central (electrically, at
    least, if not geographically) location, and then string the cables from
    it to the various computers.

    That takes care of the physical wiring stuff.

    Then each computer has to have the NIC driver installed/configured, and
    the networking software has to be installed/configured. It's fairly easy
    (once you've done it a time or two) on both Linux and newer versions of
    Windows; Win95 is likely to be tough, and 98 might be as well.. You can
    configure the network software on each machine to use either a static IP
    ("network") address or a dynamic address (aka "dhcp"). If you use dhcp,
    the router/switch will assign each computer an address, making sure that
    one computer doesn't conflict with another. The disadvantage is that the
    address _might_ change from boot to boot, which could possibly affect
    some of your network operations (because you've been copying your files
    from this computer to that computer at address a.b.c.d, but today that
    computer's address is no longer a.b.c.d but rather a.b.c.f). If you use
    static addressing, you, the "network administrator", must make sure that
    each machine gets a unique and valid IP address. I suspect that as a
    newbie to networking you'll find it easier to use dhcp; you can always
    switch later, and you can have a mix of the two on your network.

    Setting up the wireless machines is done pretty much the same way as
    setting up the wired machines, although there may be a bit more work
    depending on how your router/switch is configured to handle wireless.

    And of course, you don't have to get them all working at once. You can
    focus today's efforts on the wired clients, and figure out wireless next
    week. Or vice-versa.

    As far as outside connections: you can have one computer be the dial-up
    "master", and the other machines can share network access through that
    box (in which case, that box needs to be/have a firewall instead of or
    in addition to the firewall in the switch/router - a firewall is not
    "necessary"; it's just a good idea to keep the bad guys out). Or if you
    get a broadband connection (DSL, Cable, etc), get a broadband modem that
    has an ethernet output instead of a USB output; then just plug the
    ethernet into the 8th port on your switch/router (and reboot the
    switch/router if necessary), and boom, all your computers can have fast
    internet access, without changing anything else. Very easy.

    Any questions, feel free to ask.

    If you have two machines that already have a NIC, you can string them
    together with a "rolled" cable, which is a special CAT5 ethernet cable
    for bypassing hubs while connecting two and only two computers together.
    Some newer network cards have the "rolling" capability built-in, and
    automatic, so you can use just a normal CAT5 cable. This way you can
    connect two machines and get a "feel" for what it takes to network the
    computers together without spending more than $15 or so up-front for the
    rolled cable. There's another common name for a rolled cable, but the
    name escapes me at the moment.

    -- 
    Kent
    -- 
    To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org 
    with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org
    

  • Next message: mmissett: "Re: dial-up to ethernet"

    Relevant Pages

    • Re: Vista client lost connection to secure wireless network ?
      ... We'll contact Dell to check if they can provide us with some other driver or we will see if we can order Intel NICs and put them in the laptops. ... wireless networks the PC has connected to, with your local wireless at the top. ... The laptop would connect flawlessly to my guest network, but not to the secure network that's configured according to Owen's documentation. ... By "deleting out that Wireless network config for that specific configuation and set it up again" do you mean flattening out the AP configs, the IAS configuration, etc. and redo all that configuration work? ...
      (microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs)
    • Re: home network someone is screwing with it
      ... >I recently added wireless to my home network. ... >internet access to some wireless devices in my home. ... > Meanwhile I install air defense on the laptop and checking the logs ... machines on the wire too if the machines are not protected. ...
      (alt.internet.wireless)
    • My Wireless Sharing Problem -- Specifics
      ... File and print sharing is set up so that all computers can print to and share with two other machines. ... The router I was using before moving to wireless was a LinkSys BEFSR81, firmware revision 2.51.1 It was a perfectly functioning network for what I wanted to do. ...
      (alt.internet.wireless)
    • Re: My Wireless Sharing Problem -- Specifics
      ... File and print sharing is set up so that all computers can print to and share with two other machines. ... The router I was using before moving to wireless was a LinkSys BEFSR81, firmware revision 2.51.1 It was a perfectly functioning network for what I wanted to do. ...
      (alt.internet.wireless)
    • TidBITS#785/27-Jun-05
      ... Jeff Carlson continues his exploration of computerized poker ... and Adam examines both the Canary Wireless ... Rogue Amoeba's Audio Hijack Pro ... A Canary in the Network ...
      (comp.sys.mac.digest)