Re: Debain on the rise ! - However ....
From: Jeff Green (jeff_at_cricinfo.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:11:46 +0000 To: "W. B. Maguire II" <Maguire@AnalyticInvestments.com>
I didn't see your original mail, as although I subscribe to the list I don't
often get the time to read it all, I will however go back and find it now. I do
have a kernel (2.4.18 I'm afraid) wit rocket raid module. Which I would be happy
to send you to try if you wish. I'll read your mail and check it has all else
you need, and see if I can see the best way for you to apply it.
-- Jeff Green Systems Manager, Wisden CricInfo Limited W. B. Maguire II wrote: > At 10:03 AM 2/2/04 -0700, you wrote: > >> On 2004-02-02, Uwe Dippel penned: >> > This was on Slashdot and this is what I see around me. Very good, >> > applause ! >> > >> > ... However, this list gets out of hands. With a few hundered posts >> > per day; it's almost impossible to follow. > > > > Wow... I was *just* considering whether I should take the time to post > a message before un-subscribing to the list. Since someone *else* > brought-up the subject, I hope that my one, small opinion will be of help. > > >> > How about creating sub-topics ? Newbies, X, Kernel (2.6), >> > Applications, Advocating, General Discussion, Printing, you-name-it. >> > I'd like to learn, share and give, but currently about 80-90 % of what >> > I see is repetition, noise, shallow. Even clicking through >> > (downloading) takes simply too much time. > > > > Yes! More discretization is definitely needed! > > >> I think that genuine newbies who don't know how to find information in >> the first place, and may not know which domain applies to their >> particular problems, anyway, will end up posting to the "wrong" list >> anyway, and getting flamed for it ... causing more noise ... > > > > Wrong, IMO! I think it is quite arrogant to dismiss a "newbie" list > because of an attitude that "newbies would be too dumb to find it!" > *I'm* a Debian newbie, and *I* spent the time to find-out which list I > should use for help on installing the distro! Just because I'm a > *Debian* newbie doesn't mean that I'm a complete idiot, and that there's > no use trying to split-off a list for new users like me! Sheesh! > > And what about discretization in other areas? I asked a question about > the Debian install (3.0 r1) not recognizing my HDDs connected to a > Rocket-133 PCI-IDE card (a few days ago---titled "New Debian install + > Rocket133 = no HDDs! (Please help..."). I followed-up my first post > with some details I forgot (like the version of Debian and the fact that > I tried *all* the installs, starting with the 2.4 kernel). I included > *lots* of detail---as much as I reasonably could. Please look! I spent > a *long* time composing the e-mail, so that I could provide a > reasonably-well-formed question. The result? I got *one* reply (thank > you!), but it suggested: (1) use the "bf24" install---which I was > already doing, and (2) build a new kernel for the install---an issue > which I had addressed in my follow-up post (basically saying that I'd > never compiled a kernel before, and even if I *did* compile a new > kernel, I didn't know how to use *that* kernel for a Debian installation). > > The end result? The end result is unfortunate for Debian. I really > *did* want to try Debian, but with the only response I got to my > hour-long-researching-post being "compile your own kernel", that pretty > much shut this new-comer down! So, I'm probably going to be using > Gentoo instead. I don't know yet whether I can get the Gentoo install > to work with my Rocket-133 raid disks (created with a Red Hat 9 > install), but the documentation for Gentoo is very friendly, and I'm > hoping that if I have a problem that I'll be able to get help---without > my request for help getting drowned in a sea of 200 messages per day > (and where many of the messages are just about general-interest or > opinion topics---not experienced users helping new users). In the few > days that I have been on this list, I can say that I have seen many, > many requests for help go unanswered. > > Maybe I'll be able to give Debian a try at some point in the future, but > at this point, it feels almost unsupported to me. I'm not saying that > there's no help here, I'm just saying that the volume is *crushing*, and > that it seems that many of the requests for help are being lost in the > volume! > > >> If there are many things you'd like to know about, why don't you post >> and ask about them? No one is forcing you to read through all of the >> myriad threads on this list. Just mark uninteresting threads "deleted" >> and move on. >> -- >> monique > > > > It sounds to me that you imply that anyone who doesn't have a good mail > client just shouldn't bother with this list. I, myself, haven't had the > time to migrate to Mutt on my RH9 Linux box, so I'm temporarily > putting-up with Eudora on Win98 (even though I *hate* it and Windows!). > Once again, I find your attitude elitist. Fine, maybe you and your > *good* e-mail client can handle the volume on this list, but what about > me and my *Windoze-average/crappy* e-mail client? If the new Linux user > *must* run Mutt (or any other good Linux client) to post to this group, > then the majority of new Linux users are excluded. > > Bruce. > > p.s. I'll stick-around for another day or so, to see the responses to > this thread, but in the meantime I'm Gentoo-ing! :-) > > -- > _________ Maguire@AnalyticInvestments.com ________ |**=== > / |**=== > ( W. B. Maguire II, Ph.D. Tel: 303.772.1615 |===== > | Chief Executive Manager FAX: 303.651.6389 9|| > | Analytic Investments LLC _ | > | 700 Ken Pratt Blvd STE204 PMB166 ( ) The ASCII ribbon | > ( Longmont CO 80501-6455 X campaign against ) > \__________________________________ / \ _ HTML e-mail __/ > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to email@example.com with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact firstname.lastname@example.org