Re: Debian, Knoppix, and other varients
From: Greg Folkert (greg_at_gregfolkert.net)
Date: 02/10/04
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To: DebianUser List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 19:04:34 -0500
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 15:49, Mike M wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Adam Aube wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2004 11:37 am, Mike M wrote:
> > > Does this mean that the only way to get a system that just works is to
> > > mix and match software from all branches?
> >
> > That depends on how you define "just works". All branches except stable
> > have a chance of broken packages, so based on that stable is the only
> > branch that "just works".
> >
> > The mix of the branches provides a system that "just works" while
> > supporting newer hardware that stable does not currently support.
> > However, this same mixing makes it difficult to keep a system updated
> > from the Debian archive, as a package that worked when the Knoppix CD was
> > made may be broken currently in the branch it is drawn from.
>
> I guess "stable" means bedrock stable then. It seems there will never
> be a Debian stable that is aware of the latest hardware. Hardware is
> released at a faster rate than the rate at which stable can be released.
>
> To use Debian on the latest hardware then you must use unstable or
> testing, which exposes you to possible broken packages.
Nope. I use Knoppix to boot from, make the "system image" as far as
disks etc. I then mount those filesystems apropos and then run
debootstrap in that directory and install a basic system.
I then chroot into it and then update everything needed to make it work.
Then install a new kernel that supports the hardware.
All Done. Literally end of story. I have put woody on machines with SATA
controllers that have only been out for 2.4.22+ to have drivers built in
them.
I don't have a single problem.
> Live-cds mix and match packages from different release streams
> (unstable, stable, testing) thus making update/upgrades out of the
> mainstream of Debian support.
> >
> > I would not use Knoppix for anything other than a Live CD for this reason.
> >
>
> What I want is an up-to-date hardware configurator and all the blessings
> of stable. This will most likely never be available. It seems
> impossible.
>
> I would settle for an up-to-date hardware configurator with the stream
> purity of unstable. This appears to be in the works with Sarge, so I'll
> go try it.
>
> What I have is Knoppix on HDD with a /etc/apt/sources.list pointing to
> all the Knoppix defined mirrors with the exception of some that don't
> work (which highlights the problems you point out).
I end up having no knoppix type of system. You might consider doing
something similar.
The stuff I do is based in part on the the Debian Chroot Install @
twiki.iwethey.org
Search in google... you will find it.
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