Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

From: Abdullah Ramazanoglu (ar018_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 09/01/04

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    begin Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> dedi ki:

    > rschroev_nospam_ml@fastmail.fm wrote:
    >
    >>Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that
    >>the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway),
    >>and my own experience confirms that.
    > This is not a matter of opinions: the linux.debian.* mail2news gateway
    > *IS* bidirectional, full stop.
    >
    >>But in another post here, Marco d'Itri (who is the administrator of
    >>linux.* and runs bofh.it according to Pascal Hakim) says
    >>
    >>"If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and
    >>wants to reply to the list he is supposed to followup to the newsgroup
    >>and NOT to directly reply to the list."
    > Yes. Mail replies will break threading.
    > The gateway is open to everyone with a valid email address, which is
    > something you would expect from users posting to a mailing list.
    > If somebody thinks that munging their address when posting to usenet
    > will keep it secret forever... well, they will quickly have to face
    > reality anyway.
    > The newsgroups are configured as moderated because this makes gating
    > easier and more robust, but posts are not manually moderated and are
    > either posted to the list and newsgroup after a few minutes or rejected
    > for technical reasons.
    >
    >>"Fortunatly, linux.* *IS* a bidirectional gateway, unless your news
    >>server is misconfigured.".
    >>
    >>I'm confused. Is the gateway bidirectional and is almost everyone's news
    >>server misconfigured? Is everyone doing something wrong? Or is it just me?
    > The number of users succesfully using with success the linux.* gateway
    > suggests that if there is a problem it exists only on a small number of
    > servers. (Actually I monitor my news server for unapproved articles, and
    > they are *very* uncommon nowadays.)

    It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand
    why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. I have
    no problems with moderation and revealing my mail address (it's my spam
    collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is for threaded discussions.
    I had once subscribed to several lists, and seeing how awfully inefficient
    it is for such things, I had summarily stopped all my list subscriptions,
    and I will not subscribe to a single list anymore, no matter what, as a
    principle.

    Using mail as a vehicle for threaded discussion, seems to me only good for
    a tightly knit closed group. I can't understand why a public,
    usenet-mirrored group should be implemented as a mail list. For added
    gatewaying complexities? To download all the message bodies that I
    wouldn't read? To always feel that paranoia that my message might not be
    gatewayed to mail subscribers? To provide some with an oportunity to fork?
    (I suspect it will turn into a trolling place). Why not simply a moderated
    plain and straight, simple usenet NG?

    P.S: It's my second trial. At first trial I used a fake mail address but
    correct "Reply-To". It bounced from moderation robot, and I don't know
    whether it's because Reply-To is not accepted, or because my registration
    was so new that it was not yet in effect. Is "Reply-To" accepted? 

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