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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822
>
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2004 : Issue
> 1051
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: alsa stopped working [ Mark
> Hannon <markhannon@optusnet.co ]
> Bluefish keybindings [ Francisco
> Borges <frandebo@latt.if. ]
> Re: raid 1 setup. [ Roger
> <grunky@rockriver.net> ]
> Re: alsa stopped working [ Antonio
> Rodriguez <arodriguez31@cfl ]
> Re: Testing mailing list.... [ Carlos
> Sousa <csousa@tvtel.pt> ]
> Re: KMail crashing on startup. [
> Scarletdown <gsutton9503@wavecable. ]
> Re: Configuring Courier [ Carlos
> Sousa <csousa@tvtel.pt> ]
> Re: Using LILO on non-linux disk [ Alvin Oga
> <aoga@ns.Linux-Consulting ]
> Re: grub wants root=/dev/hde?? - map [ Alvin Oga
> <aoga@ns.Linux-Consulting ]
> Re: First general purpose unmoderate [ Travis
> Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.or ]
> Re: Real Debian LiveCD? [ Tom
> Pfeifer <tplists@optonline.net> ]
> Re: First general purpose unmoderate [ Paul
> Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.o ]
> RE: newbie Xlib install/configure qu [ "Mark D.
> Hansen" <m.hansen23@verizo ]
> Re: newbie Xlib install/configure qu [ Stefan
> O'Rear <stefanor@cox.net> ]
> Re: Real Debian LiveCD? [ Stefan
> O'Rear <stefanor@cox.net> ]
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:18:12 +1000
> From: Mark Hannon <markhannon@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Antonio Rodriguez <arodriguez31@cfl.rr.com>
> CC: Debian Users List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: alsa stopped working
>
> I have had problems with Audigy cards over upgrades
> before. If you run
> the alsa-mixer and check if your 'audigy
> digital/analog output' you may
> find that it is incorrect (it seemed to toggle on at
> least one upgrade
> for me). /mark
>
> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:04 -0400, Antonio Rodriguez
> wrote:
> > Using sid, somehow alsa stopped working; the only
> thing I can think of
> > between the last time I heard it and the time I
> noticed it wasn't
> > working is that I started kde in vt8 (while having
> gnome in vt7), and
> > perhaps an upgrade, but I don't remember seeing
> any alsa related
> > stuff. Any ideas?
> > reboot didn't help, alsamixer settings were
> recovered to no avail, rm -r
> > .kde doesn't help either (don't use kde much)
> > lspci
> > 0000:02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative
> Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
> >
> >
>

> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:38:38 +0200
> From: Francisco Borges <frandebo@latt.if.usp.br>
> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Bluefish keybindings
>
> Hello!
>
> I asked a couple of days ago about HTML editors and
> ended up finding
> bluefish beter than quanta or other alternatives.
> (BTW, thanks a lot for
> all the help with that question).
>
> My problem now is that I am a heavy emacs user, I
> didn't like emacs HTML
> mode and I find myself in all sorts of trouble
> trying to kill, copy,
> paste etc inside bluefish with it's "desktop like"
> keybindings.
>
> Is there any way to get the editor in bluefish to
> remap its keys? There
> is a /save shortcut_keys/ option under edit but I
> coudn't find out how
> ot use it. Any pointers?
>
> Thank you for your attention,
>
> Francisco.
>

> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:44:22 -0500
> From: Roger <grunky@rockriver.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: raid 1 setup.
>
> Roger wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to get raid 1 going on my Sarge
> unstable box.
> >
> > When I installed raidltools2 and mdadm doing a
> /proc/mdstat gave the
> > following
> >
> > root@post2:/etc/network# cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid1]
> > read_ahead 1024 sectors
> > md2 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3[1]
> > 3148672 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> > md1 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2[1]
> > 7269312 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> > md0 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1[1]
> > 25728000 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> >
> > The thing is I have yet to create any md devices
> and my
> >
> > /etc/raidtab <-which raidtools doesn't use - but
> I checked anyway
> > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
> >
> > files are empty..
> >
> > How do I get rid of these bogus md devices? I'm
> at a loss as to where
> > the are configured, and that mdadm doesn't seem to
> have a erase or
> > delete function to it
>
> I finally got around to removing the md devices even
> though I had a
> empty raidtab
>
> raidstop /dev/mdx
>
> That remove the raid entries in /proc/mdstat, while
> preserving the md
> devices in /dev - from their I was able to create
> new raid devices.
>
>
> --
> Rock River Internet Roger
> Grunkemeyer
> 202 W. State St, 8th Floor
> grunky@rockriver.net
> Rockford, IL 61101
> 815-968-9888 x102
>

> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:45:56 -0400
> From: Antonio Rodriguez <arodriguez31@cfl.rr.com>
> To: Debian Users List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: alsa stopped working
>
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 06:18:12AM +1000, Mark
> Hannon wrote:
> > I have had problems with Audigy cards over
> upgrades before. If you run
> > the alsa-mixer and check if your 'audigy
> digital/analog output' you may
> > find that it is incorrect (it seemed to toggle on
> at least one upgrade
> > for me). /mark
> >
> > On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:04 -0400, Antonio
> Rodriguez wrote:
> > > Using sid, somehow alsa stopped working; the
> only thing I can think of
> > > between the last time I heard it and the time I
> noticed it wasn't
> > > working is that I started kde in vt8 (while
> having gnome in vt7), and
> > > perhaps an upgrade, but I don't remember seeing
> any alsa related
> > > stuff. Any ideas?
> > > reboot didn't help, alsamixer settings were
> recovered to no avail, rm -r
> > > .kde doesn't help either (don't use kde much)
> > > lspci
> > > 0000:02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller:
> Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
> > >
>
> That fixed it. Thank you Mark. I didn't notice the
> change in the
> setting. I had to uncheck it, and sound came back
> again.
> Thx.
> AR
>

> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:47:46 +0100
> From: Carlos Sousa <csousa@tvtel.pt>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Testing mailing list....
>
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:04:44 +0000 Will Ness wrote:
> > This is a test only, please ignore and do not
> reply. (Newbie at work).....
>
> Very newbie, to use a mailing list for testing
> purposes...
>
> There are a few (alas fewer and fewer) mail echo
> addresses still available
> on the internet, that will automatically reply to
> your email with its
> full contents, just for this kind of test.
>
> Feel free to use mine: echo@vbc.dyndns.org
>
> --
> Carlos Sousa
> http://vbc.dyndns.org/
>
> "I find gnome is far too susceptible to not working"
> - J.D.H
>

> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:19:01 -0700
> From: Scarletdown <gsutton9503@wavecable.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: KMail crashing on startup.
>
> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 11:50, Adam Funk
> wrote:
> > Following various advice received here, I upgraded
> from testing to
> > unstable today. Although it kept package kmail
> back (version
> > 3.2.2-2), something related has changed and kmail
> now crashes every
> > time I try to start it up.
> >
> > kmail: relocation error:
> /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0: undefined
> > symbol:
> _ZN9DwHeaders22AllFieldBodiesAsStringERK8DwString
> >
> > Does anyone know how to fix this, perhaps by
> uninstalling some
> > related package and reinstalling the testing
> version of it? I am
> > desperate.
>
> Perhaps just doing an apt-get update followed by an
> apt-get install
> kmail will fix it by installing whatever the latest
> version is. That
> helped me repair korganizer last night.
>

> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:23:51 +0100
> From: Carlos Sousa <csousa@tvtel.pt>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Configuring Courier
>
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:36:20 +0100 Upayavira wrote:
> > I want to set up a Debian based mail server, with
> SMTP sending, IMAP and
> > [...]
> > maildir doesn't exist or has incorrect ownership
> or permissions".
> > [...]
> >
> > So, can anyone either (a) help me fix the above or
> (b) tell me where I
> > can get help fixing the above or (c) recommend a
> SMTP/IMAP/Webmail setup
> > that is relatively easy to configure, and that can
> be installed with
> > apt-get from Sarge?
>
> (a) and (b) - No, sorry.
>
> (c) My home machine hosts all mail under my care,
> and uses Sendmail as
> MTA, Courier-imap for both secure and unsecure
> IMAP connections
> (local or over the internet), Squirrelmail and
> Apache-ssl for
> secure remote mail retrievals with a web
> frontend. It's been
> working reliably with no maintenance for over a
> year, surviving
> all my daily apt-get dist-upgrades (Debian
> Testing).
> The most difficult to set up was Courier-imap,
> mainly due to my
> newbieness. The provided documentation was
> enough, a fair amount
> of reading will get you through the whole setup.
>
> In my experience, "easy to configure" in this kind
> of software usually
> translates into "the maintainer or the software
> takes care of most
> configuration options", which also usually leads to
> the wrong end
> of the security/reliability path (cf. Windows). The
> time and effort you
> spend on "learning" the software will help you get
> more reliable/secure
> performance, more confidence on your system, and
> make you an expert on
> the matters at hand. Useless at parties, though ;)
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Carlos Sousa
> http://vbc.dyndns.org/
>
> "I find gnome is far too susceptible to not working"
> - J.D.H
>

> ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:24:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alvin Oga <aoga@ns.Linux-Consulting.com>
> To: David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il>
> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Using LILO on non-linux disk
>
> hi ya david
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David Baron wrote:
>
> > OK tried it. The results:
> > Go the lilo menu OK. Boot to Linux partition OK.
> Boot to Windows -- Goes to
> > the lilo menu again.
>
> whacky :-) but that's windoze 4u
>
> > So I -U'd. Now I get the bootmagic menu once more.
> Boot to linux -- get the
> > lilo menu there, etc. Boot to windows ..... get
> the lilo menu again. No
> > escape :-(
>
> sounds like we need to wipe bootmagic too
>
> -- once you are in linux ...
> dd if=/boot/boot.0364 of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1
> sync
>
> assuming your linux is on /dev/hdb (
> root=/dev/hdb1 )
>
> -- or in DOS ... fdisk /mbr
>
> c ya
> alvin
>
> > root=/dev/hdb1
>
> good
>
> > # Specifies the boot device
> > # I made the one hda1 when I lilod to the windows
> partition
> > boot=/dev/hdb1
>
> BAD ...
>
> boot=/dev/hda
> --
> -- you want to overwrite windoze bootloader with
> lilo
> -- so you can use lilo to boot windoze(/dev/hda1)
> or
> -- linux (/dev/hdb1)
> --
>
> > bitmap=/boot/sid.bmp
> > bmp-colors=1,,0,2,,0
> > bmp-table=120p,173p,1,15,17
> > bmp-timer=254p,432p,1,0,0
> > install=bmp
>
> take out all that junk ( 5 lines ) for now
>
> > # things can get a little too big
> > ramdisk=8129
>
> remove that ... ( experiment with and witout it )
>
> - make sure you have a linux boot disk that
> you can boot off of into linux to experiment
>
> > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-686-smp
> > initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-686-smp
> > label=2.6.8
> > read-only
>
> good ...
>
> > other=/dev/hda1
> > label=windows
>
> good ..
>
> > other=/dev/fd0
> > label=floppy
>
> remove this ( both lines )
>
> c ya
> alvin
>

> ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alvin Oga <aoga@ns.Linux-Consulting.com>
> To: Lance Hoffmeyer <lance@augustmail.com>
> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: grub wants root=/dev/hde?? - map
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote:
>
> > Grub keeps putting my root on /dev/hde.
> >
> > Originally this is where my harddrive was.
> > Now I have moved it to /dev/hda. Why
> > won't Grub recognize this? I keep having
> > to edit the root= line at each boot?
>
> assuming root is /dev/hda1
>
> you need to change /boot/grub/device.map
> # for /dev/hda1 as /
> (hd0) /dev/hda
>
> in menu.lst ...
> ...
> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27 root=/dev/hda1
> ...
>
> rerun grub:
> grub-install /dev/hda
>
> c ya
> alvin
>

> ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 17:56:29 -0400
> From: Travis Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.org>
> To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: First general purpose unmoderated
> newsgroup for Debian
>
> Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote:
>
> > It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time
> trying to underderstand
> > why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in
> the first place. I have
> > no problems with moderation and revealing my mail
> address (it's my spam
> > collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is
> for threaded discussions.
> > I had once subscribed to several lists, and seeing
> how awfully inefficient
> > it is for such things, I had summarily stopped all
> my list subscriptions,
> > and I will not subscribe to a single list anymore,
> no matter what, as a
> > principle.
> >
> > Using mail as a vehicle for threaded discussion,
> seems to me only good for
> > a tightly knit closed group. I can't understand
> why a public,
> > usenet-mirrored group should be implemented as a
> mail list. For added
> > gatewaying complexities? To download all the
> message bodies that I
> > wouldn't read?
>
> Personally, I never liked the latency inherent in
> usenet.
>

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> ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:16:15 -0400
> From: Tom Pfeifer <tplists@optonline.net>
> To: "Debian-User (E-mail)"
> <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: Real Debian LiveCD?
>
> Preston Boyington wrote:
> >
> > I am involved with a project that is (currently)
> using Knoppix as a base for a LiveCD. The end
> result of the project is having a "trial" cdrom that
> can then be installed as a real Debian system.
> >
> > I know that there are projects like Morphix (which
> is what the Debian Non-Profit is based on) and that
> there are several tutorials on converting
> Knoppix/Morphix into a Debian system, but is there a
> better "variant" out there?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Preston
>
> Mepis (www.mepis.org) is another live CD that is
> based on Debian. I like
> it both as a live CD and as an installed system -
> and it's very straight
> forward to install to your hard drive.
>
> Tom
>

> ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:20:23 -0700
> From: Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: First general purpose unmoderated
> newsgroup for Debian
>
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> Travis Crump <pretzalz@techhouse.org> writes:
>
> > Personally, I never liked the latency inherent in
> usenet.
>
> These days, it's about the same latency as email
> unless you're in some
> far-off corner of the planet connected only via
> carrier pigeon or
> something equally obscure.
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> ATTACHMENT part 14 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:06:13 -0400
> From: "Mark D. Hansen" <m.hansen23@verizon.net>
> To: "Stefan O'Rear" <stefanor@cox.net>,
> <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: RE: newbie Xlib install/configure question
>
> Thanks! Great advice. I've got the VNC suggestion
> working. But, it
> would be cooler to do it the SSH/X11 way. I'm just
> a little reluctant
> to install the Cygwin stuff on all my Windows boxes.
> Is there any other
> way to do this, like in an SSH client like PuTTY ??
> Or do I really need
> a Windows Xserver?
>
> -- Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Nicolai O'Rear
> [mailto:stefan@localhost]On Behalf Of Stefan
> O'Rear
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 3:15 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: newbie Xlib install/configure question
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 02:36:17PM -0400, Mark D.
> Hansen wrote:
> > OK - so I am pretty slow at this Linux/X11 stuff.
> I've got X running
> on
> > my server (debian01) at this point. And I can
> open an Xterm using the
> > local monitor/keyboard on debian01. But, this
> server is on a rack in
> a
> > closet in my basement. The machines in my office
> are all Windows PCs.
> > I guess that I've figured out that I can't run an
> X session over the
> > network using my PuTTY SSH Client!
> >
> > So, how can I open an X session with my debian01
> server from a Windows
> > client?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
>
>
> Two ways to do this.
>
> > Maybe if you install Cygwin and XFree under
> Windows:
> > http://x.cygwin.com/
> >
> 1. the SSH/X11 way
>
> Get a windows Xserver.
>
> cygwin$ X :0 &
> cygwin$ DISPLAY=:0 ssh -X debian01
> debian01$ xterm&
>
> You will get X11 windows on your Windows desktop.
>
> 2. the TCP X11 way
>
> Get a windows Xserver.
>
> cygwin$ X :0 &
> cygwin$ ssh debian01
> debian01$ DISPLAY=winblowsbox:0 xterm&
>
> You will get X11 windows on your Windows desktop.
>
> 3. the VNC way
>
> debian01$ sudo apt-get install vncserver
> debian01$ Xvnc :1 -geometry 1024x768 &
> C:\> "C:\Program Files\SomeVNC\SomeVNC.exe"
> select <debian-box-ip>:1
>
> You will get X11 windows in a VNC window
>
> > > snippage
> >
> > You tried to run an complete X session. For this
> you need the X server
> > to be installed. I don't even know if it works
> like this over SSH at
> > all.
> No, by default startx looks for /usr/bin/X, which
> (by debian policy) is
> an Xserver that talks to the keyboard/monitor/mouse
> connected to the
> computer X was run on.
>
> > > What have I done wrong? Can I run X11 over an
> SSH connection from a
> > > MS Windows machine?
> >
> > Perhaps you could use VNC instead.
> Or use SSH X forwarding (solution #1)
>
> If you want the minimum work, I'd suggest #3.
> Windows VNC clients are
> fairly easy to come by.
>
> --
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> ATTACHMENT part 15 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:27:14 -0700
> From: Stefan O'Rear <stefanor@cox.net>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: newbie Xlib install/configure question
>
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 07:06:13PM -0400, Mark D.
> Hansen wrote:
> > Thanks! Great advice. I've got the VNC
> suggestion working. But, it
> > would be cooler to do it the SSH/X11 way. I'm
> just a little reluctant
> > to install the Cygwin stuff on all my Windows
> boxes. Is there any other
> > way to do this, like in an SSH client like PuTTY
> ?? Or do I really need
> > a Windows Xserver?
> To use X11 forwarding:
>
> 1. Debian SSH daemon must support it. Woody openssh
> does, but it is
> disabled by default (presumably for security). To
> enable it, add
> "X11Forwarding yes" to your /etc/ssh/sshd_config.
>
>
> 2. The SSH client must support it. I've never used
> PuTTY, so check the
> manual. Probable cases:
>
> 1. No support. Go with plain network X11 (very
> highly discouraged for
> connecting over the Internet, good for
> firewalled LANs, and
> somewhere in between for wireless LANs), or
> use a different SSH.
>
> 2. TCP level. PuTTY will offer X forwarding if
> you are running an
> Xserver on localhost.
>
> 3. X forwarding will be done, and converted into
> MS Windows calls.
>
> If (1) or (2), you'll need an X11 server. He
> mentioned there was an X
> server for Cygwin. Google is your friend. (I
> vaguely remember
> reading something about a commertial product
> called Reflection X,
> incase it helps.)
>
> > On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 02:36:17PM -0400, Mark D.
> Hansen wrote:
> > > snippage
> > 1. the SSH/X11 way
> >
> > Get a windows Xserver.
> >
> > cygwin$ X :0 &
> > cygwin$ DISPLAY=:0 ssh -X debian01
> > debian01$ xterm&
> >
> > You will get X11 windows on your Windows
> desktop.
> >
> > 2. the TCP X11 way
> >
> > Get a windows Xserver.
> >
> > cygwin$ X :0 &
> > cygwin$ ssh debian01
> > debian01$ DISPLAY=winblowsbox:0 xterm&
> >
> > You will get X11 windows on your Windows
> desktop.
> >
> > snippage
> > >
> > > You tried to run an complete X session. For this
> you need the X server
> > > to be installed. I don't even know if it works
> like this over SSH at
> > > all.
> > No, by default startx looks for /usr/bin/X, which
> (by debian policy) is
> > an Xserver that talks to the
> keyboard/monitor/mouse connected to the
> > computer X was run on.
> >
> > > > What have I done wrong? Can I run X11 over an
> SSH connection from a
> > > > MS Windows machine?
> > >
> > > Perhaps you could use VNC instead.
> > Or use SSH X forwarding (solution #1)
> >
> > If you want the minimum work, I'd suggest #3.
> Windows VNC clients are
> > fairly easy to come by.
>
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> ATTACHMENT part 16 message/rfc822
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 16:40:13 -0700
> From: Stefan O'Rear <stefanor@cox.net>
> To: "Debian-User (E-mail)"
> <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: Real Debian LiveCD?
>
> Preston Boyington wrote:
> >
> > I am involved with a project that is (currently)
> using Knoppix as a
> > base for a LiveCD. The end result of the project
> is having a "trial"
> > cdrom that can then be installed as a real Debian
> system.
> >
> > I know that there are projects like Morphix (which
> is what the Debian
> > Non-Profit is based on) and that there are several
> tutorials on
> > converting Knoppix/Morphix into a Debian system,
> but is there a better
> > "variant" out there?
>
> Somewhat earlier, a LiveCD distro called Kanotix was
> mentioned:
>
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/08/msg03895.html
>
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:35:06 -0500, Kent West
> <westk@acu.edu> wrote:
> > Adam Spencer wrote:
> >
> > >Firstly, I wondered if there was a way I could
> get involved with
> > >testing and documenting of new software,
> > I'm no expert, but here's what I'd suggest. Pick a
> package. Write
> > documentation for it. Submit it to the author of
> the manpage for that
> > package; submit it to the Linux Documentation
> Project; put it on your
> > own web site, with keywords that Google and other
> search engine
> > spiders will find; collect several and publish a
> book. You can also
> > contact the author(s) of a package (not just the
> package's man page)
> > and work with them to tweak interface and docs.
> >
> > > Secondly, Knoppix is a branch of Debian right?
> > Not really. It's a LiveCD that's based on Debian,
> but it's not a
> > branch of Debian. Kanotix is another similar
> LiveCD, but unlike
> > Knoppix, if you install it to your hard drive it
> results in a pure
> > Debian install, without stuff from third parties.
> (At least that's my
> > current understanding of it.)
> >
> > > X config is a nightmare with Debian (I have
> spent many hours
> > > swearing at it) but Knoppix just gets on with it
> and you can tweak
> > > later. Is it possible to do this on an
> established Debian
> > > installation? If not why not?
> > The Debian installer is getting better (have you
> tried the new
> > installer, or have you only used Woody's
> installer?). Part of the
> > problem with an automatic installer on Debian like
> there is in Knoppix
> > is that Knoppix is tailored to x86 hardware,
> whereas Debian works on
> > something like 13 different arches. A recent
> thread on this list (last
> > week?) talks about these issues. Someone pointed
> out that Anaconda
> > works on several arches too, so it's conceivable
> that the number of
> > arches might not be such a roadblock in the
> future. Other issues are
> > the various methods used to install Debian; and
> automatic installer
> > might not have the flexibility that Debian's
> installer has, although
> > again, I believe a poster in the previous thread
> somewhat debunked
> > this point also.
> >
> > But the bottom line is that Debian's installer is
> currently in
> > transition from Woody's to a new more modular and
> flexible approach.
> > Once the basics of that new approach are firmed
> up, it probably won't
> > be long before front ends are created for that
> base that make much of
> > Debian's installer much more ,*cough*, "user
> friendly".
> >
> > --
> > Kent West
> > westk@acu.edu
>
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