Re: [OT] Re: how do you protect from spammers in Debian lists?

From: David Jardine (david_at_jardine.de)
Date: 05/24/05

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    Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:29:26 +0200
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>

    All clear. Thanks a lot!

    On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 09:46:30PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
    > Incoming from David Jardine:
    > > On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 04:43:43PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
    > > > Incoming from David Jardine:
    > > > >
    > > > > What worries me is the spam that is sent out under my name. Just
    > > >
    > > > I get bounces from clueless mail admins all the time. If they'd spend
    > > > two seconds scanning the original's Received: headers, they'd know I
    > > > had nothing to do with it. Blast it back to those fools and tell them
    > >
    > > The messages I've been receiving (was receiving - I haven't had any
    > > today - perhaps they're using your address now) were polite
    > > (automated, I imagine) statements of inabilty to deliver the message
    >
    > Those are the ones I was talking about. "no such user" or "account
    > not found" or some such.
    >
    > > - no accusations of spamming. There must be masses of email flying
    >
    > It was me assuming it was a spammer with an old address list. An
    > email sent to fifty bad email addresses at AOHell using my From:
    > doesn't sound like a legitimate, well maintained, opt-in mailing list.
    > It sounds like a spammer forging my From: address.
    >
    > > around all the time with mis-typed addresses; isn't the appropriate
    > > response to return it to the apparent sender? That's a real question,
    > > not a rhetorical one.
    >
    > Once, it was. Now, 65% - 80% of network traffic is spam or malware.
    > Now, it's smarter to assume that if you sent Joe an email and don't
    > hear back within a couple of days, either Joe's on holidays or his
    > spam filter is set too tight, so you should send him another one or
    > call him. Sending something that instead looks (to your average
    > Windows user) like a MTA error message is a waste of time, effort,
    > and bandwidth.
    >
    > > The worry I had was about the reject messages I didn't get. If the
    > > Peoria Inter-Denominational College of Neo-Tibetan Goldfish Juggling
    > > received thirty of my dollops of spam, who else was getting them and
    > > was I being put on blacklists by, well, "clueless mail admins" and
    > > "fools" with "idiotic mail-bots"?
    >
    > The clueless might report you, but those who actually manage said
    > lists aren't that dumb. There needs to be some pretty damning
    > evidence that's provably from you to hurt you. Alternatively, your
    > ISP could be so clueless as to let the situation get out of hand.
    > Generally, if your ISP is up front and responsible about killing
    > abuser's accounts from his IPs, he won't have any problem, and
    > consequently neither will you for using his services.
    >
    > > I would gladly help to educate the people I do get reject messages
    > > from, but what exactly do I tell them?
    >
    > Spamcop.net! When you report spam, they analyze it to death, and mail
    > you back a URL you can go to to see the result. That URL could be
    > mailed to them if they need convincing. btw, Spamcop reporter IDs are
    > free.
    >
    > > > Spammers are forging From: addresses, have been for at least a year,
    > >
    > > This message comes to you with a forged From: address courtesy of the
    > > rewrite rules in /etc/exim/exim.conf. Excuse me, there was a knock
    > > on the door. Must be Spamcop...
    >
    > Munging email addresses isn't illegal. It's just counter-productive.
    > How are you going to kill them if they can't find you?!? :-)
    >
    >
    > --
    > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
    > (*) http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Please don't Cc: me.
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