Re: Debian Sarge to Etch

From: Fred OGrady (fred.ogrady_at_gmail.com)
Date: 07/28/05

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    Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:53:51 -0400
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    Paul,
     I have a small question, (as a newbe).
     Just how "Unstable" is Unstable?
     I enjoyed the (accidental) upgrade to Sarge. (I updated and, when I logged
    into the GUI, I was suprised to find everything changed.)
     Even in Unstable, I wouldn't expect my system to be crashing every day.
    Would I?
     I would expect to see a gradual change in the capabilitys and features of
    my system.

    I have been playing with Linux for a number of years now, Caldera, Redhat,
    Lindows (now Linspire), and most recently, strait Debian. I got sick of
    Technicians telling me they had to re-install the OS everytime some files
    got corrupt.
     It seems that anyone running Unstable is actually on the cutting edge of
    Debian's capabilities (and limitations).
     I hope these qustions are not to off topic. I didn't want to risk Top
    Posting.
     thanks,
     Fred OGrady
     On 7/22/05, Paul E Condon <pecondon@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
    >
    > On Sat, Jul 23, 2005 at 12:22:05AM +0100, Philip Radford wrote:
    > > Hi All,
    > >
    > > Are the packages from Etch available to be installed on a Sarge
    > installation. I may be getting myself confused as there is also reference to
    > Sid which may or may not be Etch before it is officially made stable.
    > >
    > > Can anybody clarify this for me.
    > >
    > > Many thanks.
    > >
    > > Regards
    > > Phil
    > >
    >
    > This is not an official response to the question.
    > A few weeks ago, Sarge was officially released as the new stable version
    > of Debian.
    > At that moment, Sarge and Etch were de facto identical. Any package that
    > was valid
    > for Sarge was also valid for Etch. But Sarge is stable. That means that it
    > does not
    > change unless there is a recently discovered security issue that can be
    > fixed with
    > a patch to a few packages. And Etch is testing. That means that it does
    > change as
    > new versions of packages become available and are included. The whole
    > process is
    > gradual, but over time, the two will become less and less similar. But
    > both will
    > be Debian. And, no matter what happens to Etch, it will be possible to
    > upgrade from
    > Sarge to Etch by using apt-get dist-upgrade. If the developers discover
    > that they
    > have wandered into a corner where this is not possible, there will be a
    > LOT OF
    > NOISE AND SHOUTING. You will know about it.
    >
    > No one can know the future, but within that constaint, Debian trys to make
    > the
    > transition from one distribution smooth and gradual. And the
    > underlying reality of the Debian system makes that realistically possible.
    >
    > So, think what is it that you are worried about? Etch will eventually
    > become the
    > official stable version of Debian. Before this happens, you may wish to
    > use some
    > packages from Etch. How badly do you want them? Badly enough to help debug
    > them?
    > How much pain are you willing to endure? How much pain will you have to
    > endure?
    > It depends on which packages you want and what is your threshold of pain.
    > I
    > guess that nothing about using Etch will be life threatening. So go for
    > it.
    >
    > --
    > Paul E Condon
    > pecondon@mesanetworks.net
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