Re: Outsider's observation upon the pros and cons of Debian
- From: Kevin Mark <kmark+debian-user@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:36:47 -0500
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:21:28PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
I have endeavored to maintain a helpful tone in this message.Hi Mike,
Please forgive me where I may have failed. As more-or-less an
outsider here, I have an observation to make concerning the Debian
distribution, and considerations which might motivate people whether
to chose to use Debian. I hope I am not speaking out of turn.
I hope to encourage introspection. If you choose to read this
message (it's rather long, I'm afraid), then I ask that you
not respond until after reading all of it, and encourage you
to endeavor to maintain a measured tone.
On a small number of occasions, I have proposed what appeared to me
to be relatively minor modifications to the policies of this mail
list. Each of these has been met by the existence of two already-
formed factions each arguing either for or against my proposal.
In each case, the intensity and acrimony expressed by each faction
has increased until the thread wasn't worth reading, let alone
contributing to. Eventually, list administration got involved,
expressing a hard-line attitude that the users don't get consideration.
It is noted that Debian is not a Democracy, its closer to a meritocracy.
There are many ideas that have been discussed amongst the developers,
repeatedly and those in power have concluded what is 'the debian way'.
These discussions have been reawakened on this list time and time again.
If a discussion reaches a different conclusion from policy and can get
some debian developers to agree, I assume that might lead to a change.
But these decisions are from people who have experience with large
computer networks and million of messages received per day and then are
checked against Debian policy and the project goals. Unfortunately these
discussions and their resultant decisions are not conveniently summarized
in one place for folks to read, it would make this much,much better for
users and developers to know how policy was arrived at and it merits.
As for help, you get a mixed bag, sometimes ultra-helpful folks and
sometimes no response or 'RTFM'. The totally volunteer and world-wide
nature of Debian makes it a unique organization: good, bad or otherwise.
I have gotten different impressions of people from reading each
different mailing list, going in IRC, meeting folks in person and
reading blogs. It is not Redhat, as that is a corporation with well
defined corporate rules paying taxes and such.
Cheers,
Kev
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