Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN

On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 02:30:34PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
First, there isn't an Ethernet card Linux can't find these days, so that's
kind of an empty argument.

Bull, Paul. Want me to mail you the one that's useless for me since it
wasn't detected and the documentation to get it going was beyond confusing?
It's best use right now is a paper weight.

Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so,
it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more
money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they rectify the
situation.

Second, so you go spend five minutes on nvidia.com downloading the drivers,
and another five to install them. Big fat hairy deal. If you're so pent up
about it, why not go make your own apt-source and slap it into your own
unofficial/non-free?

*looks at the ATI card in his machine*

What good will those nVidia drivers do me?

Okay. :%s/nvidia/ati/g

Have you built the ATI drivers
from scratch?

No, but the driver and module source are in non-free, and this page:
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install
lists 4 seperate ways to build the module, none of which seem difficult.
Sub kernel-source for linux-headers and it should all work smoothly.

If you're saying 5 minutes I'm betting you're talking out your
posterior if you claim you have. It wasn't even 5 minutes the first time I
did it *following a well written, step-by-step guide on the web!* It was more
like an hour. Subsequent installs when I knew the basic process droped to,
maybe... 30 minutes.

It seems you're doing something wrong then. It should take about 5
commands, and take less than 7 minutes (I just did it while writing this
email). However, you can't be using xorg 7 as fglrx-driver currently
depends on <6.9.99 -- but that'll be cleared up quickly. Two commands
after it's built--one 'dpkg -i', one 'modprobe'.

Same drivers installed on Mepis, one mouseclick, not even 5 minutes. And
Mepis is Debian based so there's nothing there that Debian couldn't do if it
wanted to be more than a badge of pride and actually attempt to address the
userbase every once and a while.

They do address their userbase--the people who want to follow the social
contract. They also allow the most common 'non-free' things to be done
easily. What more do you want?

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