Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

Steve Lamb wrote:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
But that happens all the time. People who don't drive still pay taxes
for roads.

And they also never take public transportation on those roads, pay for
transportation across those roads, never have emergency medical services
travel to them and transport them to the hospital on those roads, never buy
any product which was transported across those roads... ok, that one's a setup
since every product in a store was delivered by a truck unless the store is in
some remote location only accessible by mule train. Driving on roads is not
the only benefit those roads offer.


Great. You understand that roads are a social benefit. Not having the
elderly rotting on the streets is also a social benefit.

People who don't have children pay taxes for schools.

And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too!

Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school.

You are
aware that there are people who believe public schooling was, and is, a bad
idea and this would be best removed?


And there are people who believe that America's laws should be
interpreted from the point of view of the Christian Bible--Pat Robertson
is one of them. Just because a few loons believe something doesn't mean
I have to buy it.

People who have no interest in nature pay taxes to preserve national
parks.

Same here.

I agree that social security is all sorts of screwed up, but not
because it involves collecting money and spending it in ways that
might not directly benefit the person paying.

It is a large part of it because it's pretty much a fact that the people
would have been better off with the money to invest and save on their own.

No they are not. A few, knowledgeable individuals *might* be better off,
or they might screw up and choose the wrong investments and lose most of
it.

The idea behind the Social Security system is that you shouldn't have to
know anything about stocks, bond or any other securities to have your
retirement protected.

And your retirement money shouldn't be entirely dependent upon the
twists and turns of the business cycle.

Yes, people can come up with specific cases of individuals who represent the
exception. But we're talking the by-and-large masses here, not the "a friend
of a friend's aunt's grandma..."

Not unless you're
against taxes of all forms, which is possibly an entirely different
argument.

Income taxes, hell yes. Consumption taxes levied equally upon all? No.


Consumption taxes are a regressive (targeting the poor) idea that the
Right Wing has touted for years.




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