Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

Christopher Nelson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Mumia W wrote:

[somebody] wrote:

And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too!


Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school.


As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will
*ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding in
life *in spite* of the fact that I went to public school.


That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no
cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching,
there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can
gaurantee that, where does the line between public and private come?

Umm. You do realize that not all private schools are Christian,
correct? There are Jewish, Muslim, and yes even secular private
schools. If there are not enough secular private schools now, I'm sure
that a market would open up for them if public education was abolished.

Besides, why is it my job to *guarantee* that you can send your children
to school for free? If you can't afford to raise them, then don't have
them. Really, why should I pay taxes for education my entire life when
kids only go to school for 12-16 years?

Besides, my contempt of public education has little to do with my
religious beliefs and more to do with the utterly dismal quality of them.

And yes, I had a nearly 100% secular learning experience, and we got the
one temp for was trying to preach at us disinvited to return; my
teaching was more than adequate prep for college; those aren't
unreasonable demands.

Ah. So you want a venue where you as a student can get a teacher
disinvited to return. That is exactly the kind of thing I am talking
about with public education. The kids basically run the schools. Not
to say that this doesn't happen in expensive prep schools either, but
that is the beauty of private education. I can take my kids and dollars
to another school. I can't do that in the public school system.

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Income taxes, hell yes. Consumption taxes levied equally upon
all? No.


Consumption taxes are a regressive (targeting the poor) idea that the
Right Wing has touted for years.


For an example of a consumption tax that is super-advantageous to the
poor, please go review the FiarTax.


It's a very interesting idea (I just read a brief on it). It would be
interesting to see it at work, I'm not sure if people would look at the
23% sales tax and balk at buying any luxuries, though. But then I don't
know much about tax systems besides that I put money in and file for a
refund the beginning of the next year, so take my thoughts for what you
will...


If you can, read the book. If not, watch the debate that Neal Boortz
had with Michael Graetz:

http://www.booktv.org/Feature/index.asp?schedid=412&segid=6995

Graetz has some good points, but I still think that the FairTax is the
way to go.

-Roberto

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http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto

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