Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

Steve Lamb <grey@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

Matthias Julius wrote:

Maybe if noone had a gun to threaten you with you wouldn't need one to
defend yourself?

So then what about carving knives, chainsaws, baseball bats,
automobiles...

I didn't say violence would cease to exist.


Again, if someone is intent on doing you harm, which is against the law,
another law which tells them they can't use a particular method to do you harm
is going to deter them?

Yes. Shooting someone with a gun is too easy.


Finally, it there is a moral double standard here. "I am unwilling to
take responsibility to protect myself... I pay that person over there to risk
his life to defend mine! Furthermore I do not feel you, a complete stranger,
have the right to defend yourself as you might hurt me. But that aformention
perfect stranger is a-ok!"

How many people are really able to protect themselfes against a
violent criminal? AFAIK in all Europe small firearms are prohibited
from the general public. And I don't think it is a problem there.
Hardly any police officer died on his job over there neither. And if
this does happen it involves highly violent criminals against whom a
gun would not help the average person.

Matthias


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Pronunciation of "Tueller"
    ... Oh I know damned well what I'm *legally* allowed to do to defend myself. ... You believe in rampant gun ownership and a man's right to defend ... gives me the right to get violent with him. ... yank open my car door and start screaming, ...
    (rec.martial-arts)
  • Re: Pronunciation of "Tueller"
    ... Oh I know damned well what I'm *legally* allowed to do to defend myself. ... You believe in rampant gun ownership and a man's right to defend ... gives me the right to get violent with him. ... yank open my car door and start screaming, ...
    (rec.martial-arts)
  • Re: Respect - Time To Arm Britons Now
    ... politically motivated police to come to our assistance. ... *Then* you might see these violent thugs understand a little respect. ... You are nutz - tell me hoiw to defend myself or someone under attack, ...
    (uk.politics.misc)
  • Re: Spoiler - Thursday 24th Nov
    ... >>> Or, worse, that they were planning to run away because they were ... >>> frightened of Will being violent. ... >>Or even taken in context. ... > defend himself and Will went on hitting him. ...
    (uk.media.radio.archers)
  • Re: 3 Days & Counting....
    ... As the violent left-wing Democrat-Anarchists invade the borough of Manhattan ... I pray that our nation will realize that a violent criminal is a violent ... I say NO VIOLENT CRIMINALS SHALL BE TOLERATED, ...
    (sci.archaeology)