Re: bits/news from the users of Debian?
- From: Goupil <goupilcom@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:07:12 +0100
My post is d-d-a.
I'd like my comments attributed to.
Hi, i'am french (from Cherbourg), Sorry for my very bad english.
My name : Serge Le Tyrant.
My mail : goupilcom@xxxxxxxxx
My site : "Le bottin des jeux Linux" speaks about 800 Linux games and i hope that's growing. (http://www.surlestracesdupingouin.tuxfamily.org/LesJeuxSousLinux.html)
I use Debian since about 5 years and I love it :).
I start with Debian, then test Mandrake because it seem's at this time (and people said it was) very complicated.
After about 1 year, some problems for configuring device driver with Mandrake and more knowledge on Linux i decided to make another test with Debian and it was the good.
I think graphics interface for installation is a good thing : you have make a good job !
Actually we have 3 PC (but one with a material problem with the motherboard) with Debian. It's a family use.
My son (5 years old) use one of it for games (for too much time :)), he play with Quake4, Glest, Robin hood, Majesty, quake wars, doom3, UT2003, Nexuiz, E.T., T.C. Elite, W.O.P. and many others (other more small games like gcompris or gltron).
My wife use Linux for internet to find info and sometime to buy something she don't find here.
She don't like computers, no chance for making her loving Linux or any other OS :).
And me because of my site I wrote and i wrote again on OpenOffice and search playable games for Linux :)).
My two brothers (400km from us, in Paris) use Windows and don't want to change, it's there choice, it's life :).
I use a portable PC (Samsung Q35) which is a very good computer : intel's graphics card is not very powerfull but it's very stable : more than 1 year with it and zero problems after daily upgrade.
For my son's i have an AMD 64 with 1Gb of memory, an nVidia 7800GT graphics card and about 3To of disk (yes it's great :).
I have encounter many problems with my two 1To Maxtor disk : bad disks or problem with 2.6.24 kernel ? I don't know.
The (2/3) PC are connected each other with NFS (nice software!) and use one CLP-500 color laser jet. Difficult to install but works fine.
We have an epson perfection 3490 scanner, a wacom intuos 3 tablet, a Palm Zire PDA, a Canon MV800 camera and all works fine.
I have encounter a lot of problem with ATI's graphic card (9800 Pro) which make me prefering NVIDIA which is more stable. I don't use any more my ATI'card because it is on my old PC with it's dead mother board but i heard they open there source and for that reason, works better on Linux.
I don't use popularity-contest package, i don't like the idea that my PC is sending personal info. Sorry.
I use Debian Sid and I have experiment a lot of problem some years ago (about 2 or 3) because i install too recent package on Sid which are not well tested.
I continue to use Sid (for the large choice of new package and upgrade) but my preference are for installing less recent but more stable package and then it works fine (and the most important, i have identify and understand why this silly 3D graphic broke after some upgrade of my system (each time xserver-xorg-core is upgrading).
I prefer Debian to Ubuntu because i don't like using sudo on each command and for Debian's philosophy : it's free and wan't to continue to be free for all people of this planet :). But sometimes i use Ubuntu's package for games when i don't find them for Debian.
I have using Mandrake : finally i prefer the other philosophy of Debian : using file for configuration, it's more simple and stable than those nice interface where you clic and choose without any knowledge of what you make ... like Windows.
For example, I have experiment (on Debian :) CUPS interface on KDE : nice but too complicated. No notice, small help and not understanding anything. You look your cups.conf before configuring : not very simple with all those commands but with line of help i understand. I launch KDE's interface but that don't work and then, when i read my cups.conf i laugh/smile : the lenght of the file is multiplie by 3, don't understand anything and all is broken.
In general it works (with only two or three line that i have manualy modify), sometimes it don't.
That's a common problem with Linux (not only Debian i think) with all device.
All works fine after day and day of searching info and changing different files, but after some weeks of upgrading your distribution it don't. There is so great upgrade that you don't know or don't take the time to watch what is to be upgrade and don't reboot and test all your system in real time. The result : after some upgrade your scanner or your printer, your tablet, or your distrib is broken. You loose time and time to make it working and after some year you continue with some of your device continuing to not working ... :(
Each time i show my Linux box to a Windows' user :
the same problem, some device or some software don't work ... shame on me :(.
Perhaps the solution : in Synaptic, separate upgrade of important package like device driver, and/or better testing for device driver before showing an upgrade on Synaptic ...
And what about packages ?
I'd like to see a better file manager for Gnome :
I'am searching ...uuu ... yes : It's not concerning only Debian but gnome.
I use KDE why ? : for Konqueror. Because file manager on gnome is very bad.
Please develop a good file manager for gnome with tabs and same possibility as Konqueror and then probably i use it (because i don't like friendly distribution of KDE for Windows).
I can use konqueror on gnome but is it using gnome ?
Try making the installation of 3D OpenGL more simple for newbies:
I think the most important thing for growing Linux community is making it's OpenGL installation more simple.
Use the Intel's model : make a package xserver-xorg-video-* with integrated 3D support for ATI and nvidia like Intel.
Another idea : modify the script who's installing Mesa.
Consider you install your graphics card driver (nVidia or ATI) and it works fine.
But when you upgrade one of those packet you broke your 3D installation : xserver-xorg-core, mesa*, libglu1-mesa*, libgl1*, libdrm.
Because they switch those files and other with there own (who are common with your proprietary device driver) :
and for nvidia card : /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
The script must verify there is no installation of OpenGL before overwriting with there own or ask a simple question (with a small howto beside the question : Do you wan't to overwrite your OpenGL installation ?).
I think it's a real problem for newbie : for them it's very difficult to install OpenGL (downloading the driver, finding the version of Gcc for his kernel, changing it, configuring a kernel or installing the good header's package, installing the driver, configuring Xorg, and starting Xorg) and when it works fine they don't understand why after an upgrade of there Linux'box and some minute of inactivity Xorg reset (it's because screensaver use 3D, and crash if 3D won't work). They loose a lot of time to understand and some probably reinstall Linux.
With my Intel's graphic card, nothing of that : plug and play : it works :). Same after upgrade :).
Because there is only one great package to install : xserver-xorg-video-intel (the nvidia's or ati's package doesn't contain 3D support).
Another solution : contribute with graphic's card manufacturer : ATI and NVIDIA
Please, post them Debian package (1 or 2 per years) base on there own device driver that works fine like Intel's graphics card : you install, you change one line on your xorg.conf (vesa->ati or nvidia) and it works.
Another solution : another source for non free package who's provide ATI and NVIDIA packages.
It seems that other distributions provide those kind of package for ATI and nvidia (alien with those RPM driver and distribute ?)
If it's not possible to make a direct package (because ther is no source available) perhaps it is possible to make a package that make the other part of the job : verifying gcc version, make dynamic link, verifying kernel headers package, launch proprietary driver, change Xorg conf file, restart Xorg and if it seems that it doesn't work, restart Xorg in vesa mode and said you what's doesn't.
Debian with other distribution :
what about http://packagekit.org/ ?
It seem's to be a very interesting project for unifying distributions.
Debian for me ?
It's simply ... the most important distribution of the world.
Because it's Linux, then greater than other OS because of it's community of developper and people, the security, the power of the system and software.
Because in Linux, Debian use the most powerfull package manager, and one of the biggest choice of software (and can use other package with alien).
Because i like it's democratic and fun community.
Because in Linux this distribution is free, said it and make it all the time.
Thanks for that and for your work !
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