Re: No more GRUB legacy at install time since wheezy?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Camaleón <noelamac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 16:27:18 -0400, Tom H wrote:
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Camaleón <noelamac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


For grub2, there's also just one file to tweak, "/etc/default/grub",
and the CLI tools are more powerful.

Are your sure?

Yes, for the great majority of users.

Ah, that's explains all. But I'd say a great percentage of Debian users
do not search for what majority of users seek.

I'd include the majority of Debian users too in my statement.

Changing the files in "/etc/grub.d/" (1) changes the order of your
grub menu entries (for example, by renumbering the files), (2) changes
the text displayed in those entries (by editing the naming parts of
the scripts; for example getting rid of the superfluous "GNU/Linux"in
the menu entries), (3) adds custom menu entries (like the guy who
added runlevels 3-5 earlier in this thread).

"/etc/default/grub" controls the options of the "linux" line, the
default entry, the menu timeout, the screen resolution, the creation
of "recovery" or "os-prober" entries, and the fonts and graphics (if
you have/want them).


test@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/grub*
test@debian:~$ ls -l /boot/grub/

You can edit the files in "/etc/grub.d/" - or rename them or add to them
- but the canonical way of changing grub settings is through
"/etc/default/grub".

Yep, but not all the available options are available from there, or so
says the docs.

Which options?


I used to edit 10_linux, 30_os-prober, and "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig" in
order to customize grub2 to my liking but I've given up.

You see? There will be ocassions where the user have to jump from "/etc/
default/grub" to /etc/grub.d and find out what file in there to modify.
With GRUB legacy there were only 1 or 2 files, less error prone, IMO.

See above regarding the use of "/etc/grub.d/".

Again, for the majority of users, in grub1 you edit
"/boot/grub/menu.lst" and in grub2 you edit "/etc/default/grub". The
latter's more logical from a design perspective. When I first used
Debian, I thought "what's all this rubbish in "menu.lst"? Having the
options governing a section of a file included in that file is nicely
recursive but pretty weird. Furthermore, having active options
preceded by one "#" and comments by two "##" in the automagic kernel
section is smart but just as weird.


If I were a betting man, I'd bet that grub1 won't be available in
Wheezy once it's published...

And that was what I asked for, but I'm still waiting to see an official
statement for whatever decision they take. I can deal with either, but
I would like to be prepared for the worst ;-)

It'll come if it isn't already out. The grub1/grub2 developers are
probably keeping grub1 around to ease the Lenny-Squeeze transition but
they're going to say at some point that they no longer want to maintain
grub1.

It is still available for install, just the installer does not present
the option.

If I were the grub maintainer, my first step in dropping grub1 in
Debian would be to make it unavailable from d-i...


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