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    Today's Topics:

       1. Re: bridge and tc bandwith management (Cristiano Soares)
       2. Re: Poll: Customized Fedora (Adam T. Gautier)
       3. Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org (Chadley Wilson)
       4. yum update having problems with xmms (Javier Gonzalez)
       5. Mozilla rpm (Bart Kalita)
       6. Re: yum update having problems with xmms (William Hooper)
       7. Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org (Alexander Dalloz)
       8. Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org (Chadley Wilson)
       9. Kdevelop 3 (Mike Atamas)
      10. Re: Kdevelop 3 (Martin J Hooper)
      11. DNS Woes (stucklenp@charter.net)
      12. Re: Mozilla rpm (Dennis Calhoun)
      13. Re: Poll: Customized Fedora (Aaron Matteson)
      14. A couple of questions (Martin J Hooper)
      15. OT Sorry!! (Martin J Hooper)
      16. Re: DNS Woes (Aaron Matteson)
      17. Re: OT Sorry!! (Aaron Matteson)
      18. Re: OT Sorry!! (Martin J Hooper)

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    Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:06:49 -0800
    From: "Cristiano Soares" <stillnick2@terra.com.br>
    Subject: Re: bridge and tc bandwith management
    To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <015501c41447$cdae6b10$6400a8c0@stillnicks>
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    Hi Ryan. I see that uve done a pretty good job using only TC as a bandwidth
    shapper. Can i ask u a favor? Could u send me an exemple of shapping 4
    different IP addresses with four different speeds.

    EX: 10.0.0.15 = 256kbps
    10.0.0.16 = 384kbps
    10.0.0.17 = 512kbps
    10.0.0.18 = 768kbps

    is that a way to shappe inbound speed different than the outbound speed
    using TC? if that is, could u send me an example script too? thanks a lot.

    Cristian

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    From: "Ryan Rothert" <ryan@rothert.com>
    To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:18 PM
    Subject: bridge and tc bandwith management

    >
    > Hello,
    >
    > I finally got iptables to work with my bridge using the kernel from
    arjanv's
    > page (2.6.3-2.1.253.2.1) ... Im trying to now get tc to work so I can
    shape
    > some traffic. When I enter the following commands , there are no errors,
    > however the tc rules are having no effect on the IP im trying to shape.
    >
    > I just want to limit IP 10.0.0.17 to 512k, and 10.0.0.18 to 1024k and so
    > on, Here are my tc rules
    >
    > DEV=eth0
    > tc qdisc del dev $DEV root
    > tc qdisc add dev $DEV root handle 1: cbq avpkt 1000 bandwidth 100mbit
    > tc class add dev $DEV parent 1: classid 1:1 cbq rate 512kbit allot 1500
    prio
    > 5 bounded isolated
    > tc filter add dev $DEV parent 1: protocol ip prio 16 u32 match ip dst
    > 10.0.0.17 flowid 1:1
    > tc filter add dev $DEV parent 1: protocol ip prio 16 u32 match ip src
    > 10.0.0.17 flowid 1:1
    >
    >
    > eth0 is internal interface ---\
    > |------br0 (I gave br0 an IP just
    > for management)
    > eth1 is external interface---/
    >
    > Any thoughts on why this doesnt work ? I have used these same rules on
    > another Fedora box that acts as a NAT/router and that worked fine,
    > but this new box has to act has a bridge.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Ryan
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    Message: 2
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:11:20 -0500
    From: "Adam T. Gautier" <adam_gautier@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Poll: Customized Fedora
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <4065B5B8.7070302@yahoo.com>
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    >Sounds a lot like what kickstart already can do + extra packages and a
    >web frontend.
    >
    >
    >
    Kickstart is a big part of the idea, if not only because of it's
    importance in relation to Anaconda. The web portion is to make package
    resolution easier. Which in my opinion is a pain in the but right now.
    The web portion would span lots of third-party repositories. That is
    the reason it is web-based: I think this can only be solved in a
    networked setting and a webapp is the fastest/easiest way to gurantee
    that the system is in a networked environment with updated package
    info. Also, kickstart can add customization through scripting only (pre
    and post scripts) which is fine but I also want to build a customized
    Anaconda that is more modular and can have some pre-built functions
    (Example: Configuration for apache that allows finer grained control of
    the modules being initialized, sure you could edit the file in /etc but
    if you are install 5-10 in a loadbalancing situation it becomes a
    pain). These customizations may best be addressed in the first boot
    script or Anaconda, depends on the job. Also, all of the additions to
    Anaconda should be easily scriptable using kickstart.

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    Message: 3
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:31:37 +0200
    From: Chadley Wilson <chadley@pinteq.co.za>
    Subject: Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080408697.4618.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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    On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 17:26, Dams wrote:

    >
    > Without more informations we cant do much for you, i think.

    Well, How can I find out more about whats causing the problem?
    When I run xmms from terminal su - it works perfectly.
    When run as user from terminal, the whole system comes to a grinding
    holt as if something is using all of the resources, I can't even use the
    keyboard to try switch terminals or kill the process.
    The system hacks very badly causing me to hit the reset button, I waited
    15 minutes last time for response from the mouse, but it just hangs
    there. There is hdd LED activity but its slow and inconsistent.
    I did uninstall xmms on the next reboot. tried installing from different
    rpms and repositories but get the same results, thus eliminating the
    rpms and repos as the problem.

    Question is where to from here, How does one find the prob and fix?

    Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
    Thanks

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    Message: 4
    Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:46:56 +0800
    From: "Javier Gonzalez" <gonzo@linuxmail.org>
    Subject: yum update having problems with xmms
    To: fedora-list@redhat.com, linux@list.linuxmail.org
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    When I try to run a simple 'yum update', it starts running fine: it checks
    the necessary packages, downloads headers, and strats retreiving
    information. However, at a certain period it halts and then gives me a
    messages saying:
    Resolving dependencies
    ....Unable to satisfy dependencies
    Package xmms-mp3 needs xmms = 1:1.2.7, this is not available.
    Does anybody know what's the deal here? I know that I could just try to get
    this fix manually (fetch it and install it); however, I rather deal with
    this yum problem.
    cheers,
    G
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    Message: 5
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:58:12 +0000
    From: Bart Kalita <bartk@clara.co.uk>
    Subject: Mozilla rpm
    To: fedora-list@redhat.com
    Message-ID: <4065C0B4.5070405@clara.co.uk>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
    Does anybody know of a place with dayly or weekly  mozilla rpm builds??
    or a "how to"  to make rpms myslef?
    I would really like to  follow mozilla  development  without the need to
    install mozilla  in a diffenrent place that  Fedora default.
    all I managed to find is
    http://rpm.nogin.org/regularly_built/moz/Aleksey_Nogin__rpm_nogin.org_.html
    but there is no new builds since  january.
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    Message: 6
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:02:08 -0500 (EST)
    From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: yum update having problems with xmms
    To: fedora-list@redhat.com
    Message-ID: <65422.65.41.50.216.1080410528.squirrel@65.41.50.216>
    Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
    Javier Gonzalez said:
    > When I try to run a simple 'yum update', it starts running fine: it checks
    > the necessary packages, downloads headers, and strats retreiving
    > information. However, at a certain period it halts and then gives me a
    > messages saying:
    >
    > Resolving dependencies
    > ....Unable to satisfy dependencies
    > Package xmms-mp3 needs xmms = 1:1.2.7, this is not available.
    Please check the archives, this has been discussed at least a couple of
    times.
    You have an old version of xmms-mp3 (1.2.7) and no yum source for the
    newer version (1.2.10).  Either remove xmms-mp3, or configure yum with a
    source to update it.
    --
    William Hooper
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    Message: 7
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:09:35 +0100
    From: Alexander Dalloz <alexander.dalloz@uni-bielefeld.de>
    Subject: Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080410974.7065.482.camel@sirendipity.dogma.lan>
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    Am Sa, den 27.03.2004 schrieb Chadley Wilson um 18:31:
    > On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 17:26, Dams wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Without more informations we cant do much for you, i think.
    >
    > Well, How can I find out more about whats causing the problem?
    > When I run xmms from terminal su - it works perfectly.
    > When run as user from terminal, the whole system comes to a grinding
    > holt as if something is using all of the resources, I can't even use the
    > keyboard to try switch terminals or kill the process.
    > The system hacks very badly causing me to hit the reset button, I waited
    > 15 minutes last time for response from the mouse, but it just hangs
    > there. There is hdd LED activity but its slow and inconsistent.
    > I did uninstall xmms on the next reboot. tried installing from different
    > rpms and repositories but get the same results, thus eliminating the
    > rpms and repos as the problem.
    >
    > Question is where to from here, How does one find the prob and fix?
    >
    > Any suggestions will be much appreciated.
    > Thanks
    > Chadley - Linux Rocks
    > Welcome to my world.
    I bet you made freeky settings for xmms. Being inside your user's home
    directory run "mv .xmms old.xmms". Then start xmms as user. Now it's
    working properly, right? Else, post which xmms packages you have
    installed from which sources.
    Alexander
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    Message: 8
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:20:53 +0200
    From: Chadley Wilson <chadley@pinteq.co.za>
    Subject: Re: Xmms 1.2.10 from Livna.org
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080411653.4618.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
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    On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 20:09, Alexander Dalloz wrote:
    > I bet you made freeky settings for xmms.
    I bet your right! Thanks
    Turns out 2 things, Well before that I notice the numlock on my keyboard
    isnt working. but only after I try to run xmms.
    So I followed your advise below and viola it works.
    I reconfigure the iTouch plugin and problem returns.
    I have now discovered that the iTouch plugin isn't installed. This I
    found in synaptic. But it was still listed in the General Plugins. But
    it wasn't listed in xmms run as root. So  I reinstalled the plugin and
    its fine now.
    The 2nd Thing is that my skins rpm was un-installed when I upgraded xmms
    by synaptic I never put it back but for the time that xmms hung on
    screen I noticed that it was still skinned with the pprevious skinn I
    had used.
    But no further help required its fixed now
    Thanks Alex..
    >  Being inside your user's home
    > directory run "mv .xmms old.xmms". Then start xmms as user. Now it's
    > working properly, right? Else, post which xmms packages you have
    > installed from which sources.
    >
    > Alexander
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    Message: 9
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:34:18 -0500
    From: Mike Atamas <psychomohel@comcast.net>
    Subject: Kdevelop 3
    To: Fedora List <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <4065D73A.9070500@comcast.net>
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    I am running Yarrow and I noticed that yum only seems to be able to find
    kdevelop 2. Is there anyway to get kdevelop 3 automatically. I have the
    rpms but I was curious if there was a fedora was to do it.
    Thanks
    Mike
    psychomohel@comcast.net
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    Message: 10
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:40:42 +0000
    From: Martin J Hooper <martinjh_linux@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Kdevelop 3
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080416442.4430.2.camel@178.anything.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain
    On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 19:34, Mike Atamas wrote:
    > I am running Yarrow and I noticed that yum only seems to be able to find
    > kdevelop 2. Is there anyway to get kdevelop 3 automatically. I have the
    > rpms but I was curious if there was a fedora was to do it.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Mike
    > psychomohel@comcast.net
    >
    If you have the rpms downloaded already you can put a lint in
    /etc/sysconfig/rhn/sources as follows
    dir kdevelop3 /dir/rpms/kdevelop
    then you can do:
    #up2date kdevelop3
    That's the way that I upgraded to KDE3.2.1...
    HTH Martin
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    Message: 11
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:48:03 +0000
    From: <stucklenp@charter.net>
    Subject: DNS Woes
    To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <200403271948.i2RJm3tN066703@mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
    I have a challenge: since running "yum update" and blindly  accepting all
    the packages and then rebooting, I have not been able to get my Fedora box
    on the Web.  Since that system is my firewall box it is really important
    that I get it running again. Note that I get the same symptoms with or
    without the firewall running.
    The NIC is configured to "Automatically obtain IP address settings with
    DHCP" and "Automatically obtain DNS information from provider" (I have tried
    manually setting DNS addresses as well.)
    When the network service is started, the NIC does get a valid IP from the
    ISP, as verified by the ISP.  As well, I see the lease information in the
    messages log.
    "...dhclient: bound to <myIP> -- renual in 13961 seconds...
    ifup: done...
    network: Bringing up interface etho: succeeded"
    Other Symptoms:
    ping <external IP> results in "Destination port Unreachable."
    ping <leased IP> Works fine.
    Redhat Network Configuration show the NIC active and "ok"
    resolve.conf contains the correct IPs for the ISP's DNS servers.
    To add insult to injury, when I plug my Windoze box into the cable modem and
    set its IP to use DHCP, I have no problem attaching to the Web.
    Any ideas as to how I can resolve this?
    Thanks
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    Message: 12
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:17:57 -0600
    From: Dennis Calhoun <dcalhoun@blomand.net>
    Subject: Re: Mozilla rpm
    To: bartk@clara.co.uk, For users of Fedora Core releases
    <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <dqnb60991ctdi1nc06k7htmo3ll89sm1ap@4ax.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:58:12 +0000, you wrote:
    >Does anybody know of a place with dayly or weekly  mozilla rpm builds??
    >
    >or a "how to"  to make rpms myslef?
    Hi Bart,
    Out of curiosity, I found...
    http://www.rpm.org/ which would seem to be a good place to start.
    and I found these other sources for info about how to build your own
    rpm files too.
    http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-rpm1/ (seems quite
    good, but is quite outdated)
    http://dag.wieers.com/howto/rpm/ (also has some good info and several
    links to more)
    >I would really like to  follow mozilla  development  without the need to
    >install mozilla  in a diffenrent place that  Fedora default.
    It might not be a bad idea to keep a stable version (the latest rpm
    from Fedora updates) beside your more volatile cutting edge version
    (the Daily build stuff, installed from a tar ball download) for
    reliable backup in the event of a "newest build catastrophe".
    --
    No idea is so strong that it should not be tested by doubt.
    And no man is so wise that he is infallible.
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    Message: 13
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:18:29 -0800
    From: Aaron Matteson <fedora@cryptosystem.us>
    Subject: Re: Poll: Customized Fedora
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <20040327201830.12376.qmail@mail.avlug.org>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    Adam T. Gautier became daring and sent these 1.3K bytes,
    >
    > >Sounds a lot like what kickstart already can do + extra packages and a
    > >web frontend.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > Kickstart is a big part of the idea, if not only because of it's
    > importance in relation to Anaconda.  The web portion is to make package
    > resolution easier.  Which in my opinion is a pain in the but right now.
    > The web portion would span lots of third-party repositories.  That is
    > the reason it is web-based: I think this can only be solved in a
    > networked setting and a webapp is the fastest/easiest way to gurantee
    > that the system is in a networked environment with updated package
    > info.  Also, kickstart can add customization through scripting only (pre
    > and post scripts) which is fine but I also want to build a customized
    > Anaconda that is more modular and can have some pre-built functions
    > (Example: Configuration for apache that allows finer grained control of
    > the modules being initialized, sure you could edit the file in /etc but
    > if you are install 5-10 in a loadbalancing situation it becomes a
    > pain).  These customizations may best be addressed in the first boot
    > script or Anaconda, depends on the job.  Also, all of the additions to
    > Anaconda should be easily scriptable using kickstart.
    What medium do you plan on using for this? generated ISO's would take
    too long and the sheer possible number would bring the server to its
    knee's and fill up space. The only real option i can think of is a
    netinstall. As for your custom configuration files, how are you going to
    pull that off? are you planning on rebuilding the packages with the
    configuration files? or pulling them down seperately, later.
    A customized Anaconda seems like a nice idea. An apache module would be
    a nice touch, be sure to add its functionality to kickstart.
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    Message: 14
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:24:41 +0000
    From: Martin J Hooper <martinjh_linux@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: A couple of questions
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080419080.5357.4.camel@178.anything.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain
    Is there a program like aptitude in Debian where you can browse the list
    of installable packages and then install them using yum?
    I have tried installing Synaptic but it requires apt as well and I would
    like to keep the system to just yum and up2date.
    Also is there a way of making yum look at directories on my hard disk?
    I'm quite liking FC...
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    Message: 15
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:28:36 +0000
    From: Martin J Hooper <martinjh_linux@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: OT Sorry!!
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080419316.5357.7.camel@164.anything.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain
    Sorry about the last message being in the wrong thread...
    Not used to Evolution yet...
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    Message: 16
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:29:18 -0800
    From: Aaron Matteson <fedora@cryptosystem.us>
    Subject: Re: DNS Woes
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <20040327202918.12598.qmail@mail.avlug.org>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    stucklenp@charter.net became daring and sent these 1.3K bytes,
    > I have a challenge: since running "yum update" and blindly  accepting all
    the packages and then rebooting, I have not been able to get my Fedora box
    on the Web.  Since that system is my firewall box it is really important
    that I get it running again. Note that I get the same symptoms with or
    without the firewall running.
    >
    > The NIC is configured to "Automatically obtain IP address settings with
    DHCP" and "Automatically obtain DNS information from provider" (I have tried
    manually setting DNS addresses as well.)
    >
    > When the network service is started, the NIC does get a valid IP from the
    ISP, as verified by the ISP.  As well, I see the lease information in the
    messages log.
    > "...dhclient: bound to <myIP> -- renual in 13961 seconds...
    > ifup: done...
    > network: Bringing up interface etho: succeeded"
    >
    >
    > Other Symptoms:
    > ping <external IP> results in "Destination port Unreachable."
    > ping <leased IP> Works fine.
    >
    > Redhat Network Configuration show the NIC active and "ok"
    > resolve.conf contains the correct IPs for the ISP's DNS servers.
    >
    > To add insult to injury, when I plug my Windoze box into the cable modem
    and set its IP to use DHCP, I have no problem attaching to the Web.
    I had this problem once albeit was a coincidence, but try powering off
    your modem (pull the power plug) and powering it back up. This fixed me
    up.
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    Message: 17
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:31:57 -0800
    From: Aaron Matteson <fedora@cryptosystem.us>
    Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <20040327203157.12660.qmail@mail.avlug.org>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    Martin J Hooper became daring and sent these 0.3K bytes,
    > Sorry about the last message being in the wrong thread...
    >
    > Not used to Evolution yet...
    Install apt from apt.freshrpms.net then install synaptic. Synamptic is
    basically an APT frontend that will allow you to visually select
    packages to install and upgrade.
    The only frontend to yum that i know of is up2date, but i don't think
    that what you had in mind :)
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    Message: 18
    Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:36:02 +0000
    From: Martin J Hooper <martinjh_linux@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
    To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@redhat.com>
    Message-ID: <1080419761.5494.1.camel@177.anything.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain
    On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 20:31, Aaron Matteson wrote:
    > Install apt from apt.freshrpms.net then install synaptic. Synamptic is
    > basically an APT frontend that will allow you to visually select
    > packages to install and upgrade.
    >
    > The only frontend to yum that i know of is up2date, but i don't think
    > that what you had in mind :)
    Thanks Aaron just wondered :)  Will try it out.
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