RE: RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?

From: Mike Bartman (omni_at_omniphile.com)
Date: 04/16/04

  • Next message: Ben Steeves: "RE: RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?" 
    Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:40:46 -0400
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@redhat.com>

    My feelings are similar to Guy's. I've been using RHL since 5.2, with
    several upgrades along the way. Current system is running 7.3. I was
    about to upgrade again when the ennouncement came. I'm pretty distressed
    by RH's decisions, and am looking for an alternative to them now.

    I'm not an "enterprise", so hundreds of dollars a year for their new
    offerings isn't a good option for me. If I was a large company, it
    wouldn't be an issue, but the money comes out of my personal pocket, not a
    corporate operating budget.
     
    I'm not a linux developer, and I need my system to work at all times, so
    Fedora doesn't seem to be a good option either...though I'm not 100%
    convinced of that yet, which is why I signed up for this list. Need more
    info.

    RH seems to think that the only two options are "workstation" and "server".
     My system is both. I use it as a workstation, but it also acts as a
    server for my home network (which has several flavors of Windows, and
    OpenVMS running on it). I'm basically my own ISP on a DSL line with a
    single user. RH's cheaper "workstation" setup doesn't have all the parts I
    need, and their more expensive server product is...more expensive (and
    therefore not an option)...it also may be missing parts I need.

    Fedora seems (correct me if I'm wrong please...) to be a development
    system...a continuous beta release. Something that will change all the
    time, require constant attention, and may be broken some percentage of the
    time. For those with a hobby of software development, it's great. For
    those who want RHL the way we've been using it for years now, I'm not clear
    on how well it simulates RHL with RHN updates to close new security flaws
    and other problems. Can someone who isn't a linux guru set up and maintain
    a Fedora system as easily as doing the same thing with RHL? How do I get
    from my current working RHL 7.3 system to the Fedora system? Can I just
    upgrade? Or is this a "new build from scratch" situation? None of the RH
    FAQ's seem to address these issues...they just try to sell me on RHEL and
    tell me how great Fedora is to people who aren't exactly like me.

    I don't mind running up2date frequently, but I don't want to have to get
    into it more than that, except very rarely, and only then for educational
    purposes. Basically I want something that works like RHL with RHN...but RH
    isn't interested in selling that to me anymore. This has put RH into a
    very bad light with me...I hate being rejected as unimportant and not worth
    the time when I've been helping to support their getting to where they are
    by being a long time customer. Even if my next job involves purchasing for
    a large company, I'd still be a bit put off by RH and look hard for
    alternatives. Rejecting people has long term effects that may not show up
    immediately...even if I understand how greed might be prompting them to "go
    where the money is".

    Fedora may do what I need done, and if so, that will help mitigate my
    feelings about RH somewhat. It may not. I'll keep reading what's posted
    here and see if I can figure it out...while looking at other distros to see
    if anyone else is picking up the ball that RH dropped.

    -- Mike Bartman

    At 08:22 AM 4/16/04 -0500, Harper, Patrick wrote:
    >You can get RedHat Professional Workstation for around $40 at best buy.
    >It is based on. You get RHN with it. This is what I am going to for my
    >home box's that I do not want to run Fedora on
    >
    >http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/
    >
    >
    >Patrick S. Harper | CISSP RHCT MCSE
    >Information Security Engineer
    >patrick.harper@phns.com
    >
    >
    >-----Original Message-----
    >From: Guy Fraser [mailto:guy@incentre.net]
    >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:24 PM
    >To: For users of Fedora Core releases
    >Subject: Re: RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?
    >
    >Yes, that was my point.
    >
    >I have been purchasing RH box sets since 4.2, and RHN since 7.something
    >to support the community.
    >
    >I knew RHL 9 would be discontinued, but I didn't expect that the whole
    >RHL line would disappear and I would have to choose between an
    >enterprise product or a loosly supported comunity based product. 

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