Re: ATTN SELF-STYLED LIST POLICE (was RE: Mr. Day)

From: Thomas Cameron (thomas.cameron_at_camerontech.com)
Date: 12/07/04

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:59:58 -0600

    On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 13:50 +0800, John Summerfield wrote:

    > Thank you Gene.
    >
    > I've never said more than "please post no HTML" and, when provoked then
    > provided some reasons.

    Then my post certainly wasn't directed at you. I think I made clear
    over and over that I was talking to the people on this list who take a
    "holier than thou," condescending or downright rude tone with newcomers.

    > I am offended at the rudeness of people such as Thomas.

    I am truly sorry if you are offended.

    > There are many factors
    > that go to _my_ choice of email client, and its ability to render HTML and
    > Javascript does not rank. I chose one to suit _my_ requirements.

    Great - I agree with your reasoning. I think that is the only way to
    choose any tool. BUT - if 92-93% of the list uses MUAs which handle
    HTML just fine, how is it reasonable that that 92-93% should change
    their ways to support the 7-8% of the list members who voluntarily
    choose to use an MUA which doesn't handle HTML?

    Don't get me wrong - I personally don't like HTML mail, and I prefer
    bottom posting. But I refuse to get all lathered up about it when some
    new user top/HTML posts. I might shoot them a gentle explanation of
    list etiquette. At worst I'll delete the message. But at no time will
    I be publicly derogatory towards him/her. That hurts the community.

    > I've been on RH lists off and on since Hurricane, and there are others I know
    > have been around a long time too: Robert Day, Joe Klemmer, Jo Dow. Mike
    > Harris used to be a regular too.

    That's great. I admire you and them for being here a long time.
    Longevity does not excuse being nasty. I've been on the Internet/Usenet
    since 1996. It doesn't make it OK for me to be condescending to
    newcomers.

    > We help because we like to, and we keep it up because we're stupid.

    Heh - I firmly believe the former and seriously doubt the latter.

    > Always, the use of HTML has ranked amongst the less desirable things people
    > do, that gets the most complaints: probably the silliest regular mistake is
    > emailing to the list in order to be removed.

    Yup. It gets frustrating, no doubt. All I am saying is, there is no
    reason to blast a newbie for making an innocent mistake. Me, I know
    I've stirred the pot, and I'll wade into the fray freely. But blasting
    a newcomer is just flat wrong, and it hurts the community as a whole.

    Thomas 

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