Re: WARNING:DO NOT UPGRADE TO CORE 4

From: Mike McCarty (mike.mccarty_at_sbcglobal.net)
Date: 07/13/05

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    Dan Trainor wrote:

    >Steven W. Orr wrote:
    >
    >
    [snip]

    >>* I have a Dell Dimension 4700 at work. The upgrade went fine from
    >> Core 3 to 4. Afterwards, I went to start X and it failed. The
    >> xorg.conf file was identical both before and after the upgrade,
    >> including after running system-config-display --configure. The fix,
    >> after a team of people poured 6 hours into it was to not use the
    >> VESA driver that it used before. The correct choice is to use the
    >> i810 driver. The writeup for it is here:
    >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=162699
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Alright, I'll give you that one. So you're expecting a completely
    >flawless upgrade? 2/3 success rate is good, regardless of what you're
    >upgrading.
    >
    >
    IMO, 2/3 success on upgrade is abysmal.
    [snip]

    >Look at this crap that you polluted the email list with. Look how much
    >time you've wasted, yours included. I didn't even bother to read the
    >follow-ups, but I'm sure you've been given this type of lecture dozens
    >of times. And you've replied once.
    >
    >
    This is not true. He has replied multple times.

    >Let's say you get a new car, let's call it a brand new Civic - they're
    >cool, as the kids put it. This Civic comes with 1/2 a tank of gas,
    >factory tires, and no tint. Does this mean you're going to write
    >consumer reports and tell them that it sucks? No. It comes that way
    >because it was configured that way. You had a choice of picking another
    >one, but you didn't. Is there anything wrong with your new Civic?
    >Absolutely not. You're just pissed off because it only has half a tank
    >of gas, factory tires, and no tint.
    >
    >
    Not a fair comparison. If he took his new Civic to the dealer to get a
    cracked
    windshield fixed, and it came back with a groaning transmission which
    frequently slipped out of gear, that might be a more apt comparison.

    >The type of petty complaints and blatant whining you bring, are not
    >welcome here, especially when you do so in such a manner that has you
    >trying to make a particular operating system look bad due simply to your
    >incompetence.
    >
    >
    Who set you up as netcop? Do you know what I like or dislike? Please
    speak only for yourself.

    Now, as it turns out, I don't like his tone one bit. But I think his gripes
    are legitimate.

    >Constructive troubleshooting by reading logs, doing research, and a
    >clue, however, are very welcome here. There are thousands of people
    >here who have done all of the above, and they're to help. They're not
    >going to help you if you don't take the initiative and do your own
    >homework first.
    >
    >Sorry to waste all your guys' time on the list for reading this, but I
    >do believe that this is a point worth making.
    >
    >
    And your constructive criticism of him was?

    Sorry, but I classify your message just as much a rant as his.

    Mike 

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