Audio Woes

Good Morning Fedora Gurus,
I have just upgraded my FC4 system with a fresh install of FC5 and all
is good except that I receive a strange message about my sound card,
Sound Blaster 16. The card is detected but the error says that I am
missing some "streams" files that are needed to play sounds.
Has anyone else see this behavior? Are these codec's or what?

Best Wishes
Stan Skidmore


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Today's Topics:

1. help in USB ports numbering/identification (Michal Szymanski)
2. Re: Installing FC5 on pre-partitioned /dev/hdb (Gene Heskett)
3. Re: SElinux (Craig White)
4. Re: FC5 ISA Soundcard not working any more (antonio montagnani)
5. Re: FC5 ISA Soundcard not working any more (antonio montagnani)
6. Re: Message clarification? (Erik P. Olsen)
7. Re: Hotmail and sendmail server (Amrit Angsusingh)
8. Re: Installing FC5 on pre-partitioned /dev/hdb (Gene Heskett)
9. Re: Message clarification? (Ed Greshko)
10. Re: Message clarification? (Anne Wilson)
11. start_udev crashes diskless boot in FC5
( Saurabh Jain (???? ???) )
12. Re: Message clarification? (Erik P. Olsen)
13. Jumbled Desktop Icons (Jeffrey D. Yuille)
14. Re: Jumbled Desktop Icons (Leon)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:16:26 +0200
From: Michal Szymanski <msz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: help in USB ports numbering/identification
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060403091626.GA15530@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi,

I am having hard time trying to connect a device designed as save-disk
for digital cameras to a FC3/FC4 machines. The device is marked USB 2.0
High Speed and carries also memory card reader (3 slots).

When I connect it to the PC, I get:

usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 8 usb 3-2:
not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub scsi10 : SCSI
emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 8
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
Vendor: DCB Model: HS-HD Rev: 2.23
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdc: 156301488 512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
sdc: assuming drive cache: write through SCSI device sdc: 156301488
512-byte hdwr sectors (80026 MB)
sdc: assuming drive cache: write through
sdc: sdc1
Attached scsi disk sdc at scsi10, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Vendor: DCB Model: HS-CF Rev: 2.23
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
Attached scsi removable disk sdd at scsi10, channel 0, id 0, lun 1 ...
(similar for other memory card slots, just different lun numbers)

So, it works as "full speed" only, with a rate of 1MB/s which is not
acceptable for 80GB disk.

At first I though the first two lines mean that the USB port used is not
capable of High Speed. But then I connected to the VERY SAME port
another device - memory card reader (no disk) and got:

usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12
scsi9 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
usb-storage: device found at 12
usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
Vendor: SMSC Model: USB 2 HS-CF Rev: 2.16
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00
SCSI device sdc: 4001760 512-byte hdwr sectors (2049 MB) ... (other
slots) ...

So there are two problems:

1. Why does the device not work at 480 Mbps,

2. What do all these USB numbers mean: 1-4, 3-2?
I guessed one of those should should somehow point to the USB port used
but it seems it does not. No single number repeats although the cable
was plugged into the same port.

any ideas, explanations?

regards, Michal.

--
Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:22:04 -0400
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Installing FC5 on pre-partitioned /dev/hdb
To: Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <200604030522.04550.gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Sunday 02 April 2006 20:52, Les Mikesell wrote:
[...]

So how can I bypass this "thing from hell" and get to actually doing
the install, and do it where I want it?

I'd stay away from text mode. Do the reverse-vnc connection if
you have to to get a graphic screen for the setup.

I tried the gui, and that did work as I wanted it, so the install is
done, and nearly everything is installed. SElinux is turned off, as
was iptables after I'd fixed all the other stuff re the labels by
taking them back out of the copy of fstab on hdb. So labels are no
longer a concern since theres none in the hda copy of fstab either.
I am already behind a more than adequate firewall.

3 immediate problems:

1) networking is so slow it took it about 6 hours to do the yum update
once I'd gotten it booted. Those 69 packages shouldn't have taken more
than 10 minutes or so on a 256/1.5 dsl connection. Is there a fix for
that other than reverting to my homemade 2.6.16.1? None of my homemade
kernels has ever exhibited network performance like that. Maybe it
didn't have the forcedeth driver available?

2) evolution, although it has all the data filled in properly, cannot
login and get my email from incoming.verizon.net. fetchmail had no
problems once I'd rebooted to FC2. I got the feeling it wasn't using
the pop3 protocol correctly, but then neither does verizon as the login
and password are exchanged in the clear.

3) where do I edit, and what, to make it use kde instead of gnome?

The older switchdesk utility wasn't fully installed for some reason, and

doesn't seem to be available via yum.

--
Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:46:02 -0700
From: Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: SElinux
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1144053963.19913.34.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 10:25 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 12:34:07AM -0700, Craig White wrote:

if Windows exploits are any indication, it is primarily desktop
systems
which are the target for malware that infects the system for
nefarious

No disagreement.

purposes. Why? Because the users are often not knowledgeable, run
with
elevated privileges, travel to web sites that attempt every
conceivable
exploit in a plethora of scripting languages, etc.

Yes. But more packages -- more opportunities for
SELinux/RSBAC/grsecurity
to break your system. If a user has to choose between a secure or a
functional
system, he will choose the one that works.

The policy updates from Fedora have been frequent and are
automatically
installed/applied

Empirically, I had SELinux breaking services on my desktop. It is
hard enough to keep the system running in Fedora Core land as it is.
No need to extra handicap.

It is reasonable for a sysadmin to craft and review security policy
on a stable (=static) server with few packages installed and few
services offered. Especially, if you're paid to do it.

Trying to do this on a rapidly evolving desktop with a rich set
of packages, most of them pulled in from a dozen of depositories
run by people with not very high stability standards (FC is bleeding
edge, after all) is a) not something most people enjoy b) takes
more time that most people have, especially if it's a hobby.
----
I guess it's a throw out the baby with the bathwater thing.

What you call 'break your system' really is nothing more than SELinux
blocking attempts by programs to accomplish tasks which they would have
no problem doing if SELinux were set to 'off' or at least 'permissive'
mode. That seems to be an over reaction.

Yes, it does require some effort on the user part to remove the SELinux
'block'

Yes, life is simpler for a user to simply set SELinux to 'off' or
'permissive'

I would submit that Microsoft Windows offers a simpler environment for
the user where security is less. If by extension, the goal is to provide
an easier Linux system for the user to use, why wouldn't he just log in
as root? It sure would make things easier for udev if users logged in as
root. Why quit there? Why not simply do '/sbin/service iptables stop' ?

The real problem that I see with SELinux is the use of language tokens
which aren't natural language which on the surface makes it appear
overly complex.

Craig



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:27:00 +0200
From: "antonio montagnani" <antonio.montagnani@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FC5 ISA Soundcard not working any more
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4c37b6af0604030227y422845a1v62344fc274b74263@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

2006/4/3, Rickey Moore <wayward4now@xxxxxxxxx>:


Jim Cornette <fc-cornette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


debug it... huh, dmesg finally shows that isapnp is now working...
so
that's news. I haven't a clue what did that. I'll get back to you

and relate what I'm finding. Ric


I'm getting the kernel and Kudzu using locate. /sound/isa modules show
up in a lot of kernel items. I would not think that the feature to
recognize pnp isa cards would be removed from kudzu. The feature could
have been removed though. Is it possible to use an older version of
kudzu to see if it was gutted? My guess deps would be heavy.
Probably putting a bug report against kudzu would be wise since ISA
and
PNP are still needed.
I still haven't a clue as to what happened to fire isapnp back up, but
I'm
loath to file a bug report as I did a yum-upgrade path which hosed
ALOT of
the system when yum segfaulted on me during the upgrade. That hurt!
So, I
can't really bitch about anything, I'm no victim, I volunteered.

udev is still hosed, at least on bootup. Once I get past that one,
I'll be
pretty close to being operational. thanx, Ric




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This is my updated modprobe.conf.
I still do not understand why the sound card doesn't work at
boot-time, but if I issue modprobe snd-sbawe it works immediately.
Shall I had this line to some rc file??


# Note: for use under 2.4, changes must also be made to modules.conf!
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias usb-controller uhci-hcd
options snd-sbawe isapnp=1
install snd-sbawe /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-sbawe &&
/usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
remove snd-sbawe { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
/sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-sbawe
#Turn off IPv6
#alias net-pf-10 off
#alias net-pf-10 on
#alias ipv6 off
alias eth1 ne2k-pci
alias eth0 8139too


Tnx for help
--
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Skype : antoniomontag



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:33:26 +0200
From: "antonio montagnani" <antonio.montagnani@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FC5 ISA Soundcard not working any more
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<4c37b6af0604030233o897aab7y335577ba7d37064b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

2006/4/3, antonio montagnani <antonio.montagnani@xxxxxxxxx>:
2006/4/3, Rickey Moore <wayward4now@xxxxxxxxx>:


Jim Cornette <fc-cornette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


debug it... huh, dmesg finally shows that isapnp is now working...
so
that's news. I haven't a clue what did that. I'll get back to you

and relate what I'm finding. Ric


I'm getting the kernel and Kudzu using locate. /sound/isa modules
show
up in a lot of kernel items. I would not think that the feature to
recognize pnp isa cards would be removed from kudzu. The feature
could
have been removed though. Is it possible to use an older version of
kudzu to see if it was gutted? My guess deps would be heavy.
Probably putting a bug report against kudzu would be wise since ISA
and
PNP are still needed.
I still haven't a clue as to what happened to fire isapnp back up,
but I'm
loath to file a bug report as I did a yum-upgrade path which hosed
ALOT of
the system when yum segfaulted on me during the upgrade. That hurt!
So, I
can't really bitch about anything, I'm no victim, I volunteered.

udev is still hosed, at least on bootup. Once I get past that one,
I'll be
pretty close to being operational. thanx, Ric




================================================
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
...the Sin of Ignorance, and
...the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.

Linux user# 44256
Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/
================================================


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This is my updated modprobe.conf.
I still do not understand why the sound card doesn't work at
boot-time, but if I issue modprobe snd-sbawe it works immediately.
Shall I had this line to some rc file??


# Note: for use under 2.4, changes must also be made to modules.conf!
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
alias usb-controller uhci-hcd
options snd-sbawe isapnp=1
install snd-sbawe /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-sbawe &&
/usr/sbin/alsactl restore >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
remove snd-sbawe { /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null 2>&1 || : ; };
/sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove snd-sbawe
#Turn off IPv6
#alias net-pf-10 off
#alias net-pf-10 on
#alias ipv6 off
alias eth1 ne2k-pci
alias eth0 8139too


Tnx for help
--
Antonio Montagnani
Skype : antoniomontag

and this is the output of kernel log at boot-time. Why doesn't the card
work??

isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
pnp: SB audio device quirk - increasing port range
pnp: AWE32 quirk - adding two ports
isapnp: Card 'Creative SB32 PnP'
isapnp: 1 Plug & Play card detected total

--
Antonio Montagnani
Skype : antoniomontag



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:49:08 +0200
From: "Erik P. Olsen" <erik@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Message clarification?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <4430EF94.6020808@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 10:23 +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
Logwatch sends me this message:

pam_timestamp_check: PAM `/var/' permissions are lax

What can it be and where can I read about such messages?
----
# ls -ld /var
drwxr-xr-x 28 root root 4096 Mar 25 13:49 /var

it would appear that you changed the perms on this directory -
probably
not a very good idea changing the perms of the root level folders such
as /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home

chmod 755 /var

should be all you need do unless the owner isn't root:root

Thanks, I've chmod'ed it now. But - forgive my lack of knowledge - what
does
"lax" mean?

--
Regards,
Erik P. Olsen



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:48:51 -1200
From: "Amrit Angsusingh" <amritangs@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hotmail and sendmail server
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8d54083b0604030248w28fd8481u@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

My users and me could get mail from hotmail if there was only text not
with
the attachment. Could you sugggest me what's going wrong?
Amrit


2006/4/2, Amrit Angsusingh <amritangs@xxxxxxxxx>:

I use FC 3 with sendmail and squarail webmail as my mail server for my
company for a couple of years without any problem but since two months
ago ,
my mail users included me could not receive the email from hotmail if
they
have some attachments. We can receive all mail from gmail , yahoo
...etc
with attachments but not from hotmail. We can deliver and get to text
mail
from hotmail too . When I asked hotmail support ,they suggested me to
look
at the server whether any filtration or not. but I have no idea what
happen
to my server and where should I look for.
As I know nothing is set just on squarail webmail I set the spamcop
via
them menu of my squarail mail but I disable it already. Anybody know
what's
wrong with my server? Thanks.

--------------------- here is the answer from hotmail support
-------------


Dear Amrit,


Thank you for writing back to MSN Hotmail Technical Support.

I apologize for the delayed response. Recently, we received an
extremely
high volume of e-mail messages and are working diligently to catch up.

My name is Val and I understand that you are having an issue receiving
messages from MSN Hotmail accounts using your company's e-mail
address.

Amrit, I know how important it is for you to have this issue resolved.
Please accept our deepest apology for the inconvenience this has
caused
you.

I have checked the bounce message that you have provided and based on
the
code that was included in the message, the messages were successfully
sent
from the MSN Hotmail server. It seems that your company's Web server
is
having issues receiving messages from MSN Hotmail.

In this regard, please contact your e-mail administrator regarding
this
issue. They might be having issues or implementing restrictions in
receiving messages from Web-based e-mail services such as MSN Hotmail.

You are a valuable customer to MSN and we are glad to give you
consistent
and effective service.

Thank you for using MSN Hotmail.




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Amrit Angsusingh
Thailand

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:50:34 -0400
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Installing FC5 on pre-partitioned /dev/hdb
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200604030550.35293.gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Monday 03 April 2006 05:22, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 02 April 2006 20:52, Les Mikesell wrote:
[...]

So how can I bypass this "thing from hell" and get to actually
doing the install, and do it where I want it?

I'd stay away from text mode. Do the reverse-vnc connection if
you have to to get a graphic screen for the setup.

I tried the gui, and that did work as I wanted it, so the install is
done, and nearly everything is installed. SElinux is turned off, as
was iptables after I'd fixed all the other stuff re the labels by
taking them back out of the copy of fstab on hdb. So labels are no
longer a concern since theres none in the hda copy of fstab either.
I am already behind a more than adequate firewall.

3 immediate problems:

1) networking is so slow it took it about 6 hours to do the yum update
once I'd gotten it booted. Those 69 packages shouldn't have taken
more than 10 minutes or so on a 256/1.5 dsl connection. Is there a
fix for that other than reverting to my homemade 2.6.16.1? None of
my homemade kernels has ever exhibited network performance like that.
Maybe it didn't have the forcedeth driver available?

2) evolution, although it has all the data filled in properly, cannot
login and get my email from incoming.verizon.net. fetchmail had no
problems once I'd rebooted to FC2. I got the feeling it wasn't using
the pop3 protocol correctly, but then neither does verizon as the
login and password are exchanged in the clear.

3) where do I edit, and what, to make it use kde instead of gnome?

The older switchdesk utility wasn't fully installed for some reason,
and doesn't seem to be available via yum.

And add one more.

4) Since when is it illegal to have a seperate root partition? DD
forced me to make root a directory on /, and I've never run that way in
8 years. I'll bruteforce it because the partition is there, without a
label since DD wouldn't let me use it, IF there is no good reason for
changing to a dir on / in the first place.

--
Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.

--
Cheers, Gene
People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should add the word
'online' between the 'verizon', and the dot which bypasses vz's
stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-)
Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above
message by Gene Heskett are:
Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:52:05 +0800
From: Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Message clarification?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <4430F045.1090902@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Erik P. Olsen wrote:
Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 10:23 +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
Logwatch sends me this message:

pam_timestamp_check: PAM `/var/' permissions are lax

What can it be and where can I read about such messages?
----
# ls -ld /var
drwxr-xr-x 28 root root 4096 Mar 25 13:49 /var

it would appear that you changed the perms on this directory -
probably
not a very good idea changing the perms of the root level folders
such
as /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home

chmod 755 /var

should be all you need do unless the owner isn't root:root

Thanks, I've chmod'ed it now. But - forgive my lack of knowledge -
what
does "lax" mean?

1. Not tense, firm, or rigid; loose; slack; as, a lax
bandage; lax fiber.
[1913 Webster]

The flesh of that sort of fish being lax and spongy.
--Ray.
[1913 Webster]

2. Not strict or stringent; not exact; loose; weak; vague;
equivocal.
[1913 Webster]

--
The meek will inherit the earth -- if that's OK with you.



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:57:44 +0100
From: Anne Wilson <cannewilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Message clarification?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <200604031057.44670.cannewilson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Monday 03 April 2006 10:52, Ed Greshko wrote:
2. Not strict or stringent; not exact; loose; weak; vague;
equivocal.
[1913 Webster]

IOW, you probably had permissions set that would allow writing by users
that
should not write to that directory.

Anne
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:34:49 +0530
From: " Saurabh Jain (???? ???) " <saurabh.jain@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: start_udev crashes diskless boot in FC5
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
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Hi!

I am trying to boot FC5 disklessly. Things worked well in all FC
releases so far. In FC5, the start_udev script crashes the system.
This is because when udevd is started from within it, it makes the
network device vanish. What could be the possible reason for this? Is
there a way of rolling back to a working udevd/kernel? Is there some
major change in the FC5 architecture/boot process that I should know
of?

Thanks
Saurabh
saurabh.org.in



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:05:56 +0200
From: "Erik P. Olsen" <erik@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Message clarification?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <4430F384.40009@xxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 03 April 2006 10:52, Ed Greshko wrote:
2. Not strict or stringent; not exact; loose; weak; vague;
equivocal.
[1913 Webster]

IOW, you probably had permissions set that would allow writing by
users that
should not write to that directory.

OK, I thought it was purely a technical term.

--
Thanks,
Erik P. Olsen



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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:34:45 -0400
From: "Jeffrey D. Yuille" <jeffy5@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Jumbled Desktop Icons
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1144060485.3021.2.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hello,

I know that there is a bug report on jumbled desktop icons upon
rebooting (especially with the home folder). Has this problem been
fixed yet? Has anyone else been affected by this problem?
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:48:49 +0100
From: Leon <sdl.web@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Jumbled Desktop Icons
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"Jeffrey D. Yuille" <jeffy5@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

Hello,

I know that there is a bug report on jumbled desktop icons upon
rebooting (especially with the home folder). Has this problem been
fixed
yet? Has anyone else been affected by this problem?

Hi Jeffrey,

Same here.

It has not been fixed yet. I'm not sure if they are waiting for
upstream to fix it or the fix is too difficult.

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Leon



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