Re: FC6 through the rear view mirror

On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 16:28 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:07 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:47 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I have found FC6 to be the least installable of all the Fedoras.
That is my conclusion but first some caveats. I am trying to run it on a
year 2000 Dell Optiplex GX1p. This machine ran FCx (x<6) with minimum
problems. It is an old machine but FC6 has given me more serious
trouble with the installation than and other Fedoras.

On the bright side it has been a learning experience but I am full of
anxiety as to what will happen with FC7. There is something wrong with
its construction and let me list some of the more serious problems.
Maybe it is only with older machines but I have seen others having
similar problems.

1. shutdown would not turn off the machine. Finally fixed with 4 months
of hitting my head against the wall.

2. The system did not recognize my sound card. It showed up in the early
boot messages but then it was lost. lspci did not list it, and it did
not show up in modprobe.conf and when the appropriate lines were put in
the file they were ignored. Again after much turmoil the modprobe had
to be run in rc.local.

3. Once sound was enabled use of sound was ephemeral. With updates, CD
playing which worked stopped working.

4. Getting various video and audio sources to play also came and went.

5. firefox configuration to use plugins properly was especially
confusing and tedious.

6. Using system-config-httpd to configure the web server does not really
work and caused me the hidden problem of ending up with two Listen
commands in the configuration files which took a while to trouble shoot.

7. And today's special, rpm's that are removed by yum erase for
dependencies are not re-installed with a yum install

There were other things but these were the biggies. Now I ma not trying
to start a rant and for people to say it worked for me is not helpful.
What was helpful in getting things to work was advice I received from
people on the list. Again all this worked fairly well in previous
Fedoras on this machine so I can't really blame the machine.
I am not bitter I just want the installation process to be smoother and
for it to work as it has previously.
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and how many of these things did you add to bugzilla?

Things don't get fixed because of this list - they get fixed because the
package maintainers use bugzilla as a guide for things that need to be
fixed.

By the way - Item 6 - firefox plugins aren't part of fedora packaging

Craig

The not turning off the machine has been on bugzilla for a while with no
solution I am aware of.
But in general I understand righteousness of your comment about bugzilla
but here is my experience I have never has a problem I posted to
bugzilla that has been resolved. I guess it is just my luck. In one case
with a problem with yumex the developer responded he was too busy to
correct the problem. In another case the problem in one distribution
that we really needed fixed was replied to after we had installed the
next distribution. That is one of the problems with a volunteer
workforce.
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Ok - if I understand your logic correctly...You don't bother reporting
bugs to the bugzilla system that is designed to connect the package
maintainers to the bug reporters because they haven't fixed the bugs
that you reported (though a search for your e-mail address in bugzilla
turned up nada) and you think that bugs ***might*** get fixed if you
report them here even though few of the package maintainers monitor this
list.

Extending your logic, I don't understand why the President doesn't bring
the troops home from Iraq.

Aaron - the system isn't perfect but it's the best system that we have
and it exists to benefit all users - the important part of the equation
is that people report bugs because that is where the process starts (at
least hopefully). Recognize that a bug report on FC-6 at this point
might very well be too late to have much impact on the first release of
FC-7

Craig

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