Re: How to SMTP (Email) Server Fedora 6?

Les Mikesell wrote:
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
You keep talking about "muddling
through" the sendmail.mc file to make it listen to outside
connections. Please explain what is so hard to understand about
this, that people are going to get it wrong?

Please name one other RH/fedora package where you have to do anything
like this to make a program do what it was designed to do? Please
describe the standard locations for documentation where you got a
pointer to the needed change in sendmail.mc? Man sendmail? Man
sendmail-cf? This isn't something you'll find in any external sendmail
documentation because no one writing about sendmail in general would
consider the possibility that it might be shipped that way.

Well, first you have to know that sendmail is your mail program. But
I guess you could get that from reading the mail man page. The
sendmail man pages talks about the /etc/mail directory, so looking
at the files in there is a good idea. Looking at sendmail.mc gives
you all the information. But looking at a general sendmail website
will also tell you about /etc/mail, and about .mc files. In ether
case, if you are bright enough to poor sand out of a boot, you
should find sendmail.mc and take a look at it. If you can not find
it, then you probably should not be configuring Sendmail in the
first place.

As for other packages where you have to do things like this, how
many other packages are there that are as complex as Sendmail? Well,
the Bind package, compiling your own kernel come to mind. Don't
blame RH/Fedora because Sendmail is so complicated. Now, if you were
you want to blame them for making such a complicated package the
default mail server, you would probably find people that would agree
with you. I guess Sendmail as a mail server is just so much of a
tradition that it is still the default. For years, it was all
anybody ran as a mail server.

If you want sample configurations of different mail server
configurations that can be modified for local conditions,

I want ones that don't need to be modified unless you already know your
local conditions are non-standard.

First you have to define what are standard local conditions. Good
luck with that. Standard for a stand-alone desktop. For a desktop on
a local network? For a database server? For a mail server on a
personal DSL or Cable modem connection? Standard for a small office
mail server? I guess you could make a standard configuration for a
AT&T DSL connection using the sbcglobal servers. (Though you still
need to configure the user name and password so you can relay
through their servers.) I have a nice config file in my archives for
using a Tolosity DSL connection, but that probably isn't going to do
much good. The change from that to DirectDSL was not too big.

The thing you are missing is that for most Fedora users, standard
conditions do not include an incoming SMTP connection from the
Internet, and including using a relay host for outgoing mail. Most
are configuring their mail client to get and send mail directly
to/from one of more outside servers. So for "standard conditions",
the config file being shipped works without modification. So it
looks like your conditions are non-standard. The problem is that you
do not know it. RH/Fedora is going to have a hard time fixing that.
I know I am tired of trying, so I will leave you to rant in peace. :)

Mikkel
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