Re: DVI output, ATI or nVidia

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 07:08:34AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Luciano Rocha wrote:
You're comparing apples to oranges. On one hand, you have people
complaining that a vendor refuses to give full documentation for a piece
of hardware the user bought and wants to use.
So, it is a bad thing for a hardware maker not to give away its trade
secrets. Right?

If only that were true... NVidia has stated plenty times that they don't
make many parts of the cards (which leads me to think they're crapware
producers) as the reason for not publishing.

Care to cite a credible reference?

Besides, the biggest trade secret might be that many things are done in
software at the main CPU instead of the GPU. Who knows... maybe you're
eating a cat while wondering what a nice rabbit stew NVidia allowed you
to use.

I suppose it is easy to speculate on almost anything. Yet, I wouldn't eat
one of my cats as they are family and my wife would kill me to boot.

You won't have people complaining that VMware Server isn't OSS. They can
use qemu, bochs, xen, whatever. The drive images format is relatively
known, so you can use them with some of the other systems.
IMO, qemu, bochs, xen, and whatever are just not as easy to use.

plonk... any user who uses virtualization shouldn't be so technically
challenged as to think qemu is hard at all to use...

Ahhh, but isn't qemu an emulator and therefore doesn't directly use the
system's CPU?

Of course you are not locked into nVidia either. Don't like their policy,
don't buy their hardware. Sounds simple enough to me.

Tell that to laptop owners who unknowingly bought it thinking it was
supported thanks to illuminated comments like yours :)

If they "unknowingly" bought it they didn't do much homework. I've never
seen a laptop advertised that didn't specifically state what video hardware
was included and even had a sticker on keyboard area.

I guess I'm not clear on what kind of unencumbered hardware documentation
you want nVidia to supply. Care to elaborate? Or, maybe point to the
equivalent documentation that Intel provides on their video hardware.

I don't know enough about GPUs to say what's enough, but if you compare
Intels behaviour with that of NVidia with such dismissal... I'd say you
know even less.

So, you're saying that Intel doesn't provide any more (or even less)
hardware detail than nVidia? So, how does that dovetail with claims that we
should use Intel integrated video chipsets and their OSS drivers?

The Nouveau project is trying to document and implement a 3d driver, see
http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FAQ. But the last time I tried the
graphics card entered an invalid state just after entering my username
in gdm.
Yeah, I've heard about that...but I still can't figure out why I would use a
free "clone" of something else that is already free and supported by the
OEM. Can you help me out there?

Because your definition of support is short-sighted and lasts only so
much.

And what is my definition of support? Please tell me.

My older GeForce that I got rid of isn't any longer supported by NVidia.
I wouldn't be able to use FC7 in that computer. Fortunately I bought a
fully supported ATI card, a 7200, and today lo and behold... I even get
a fast compiz there!

OK, let me get this straight. You had an older GeForce where you have the
nVidia legacy drivers that you did or did not try. So, you went out and
bought a new ATI card and it works. Why didn't you go out to eBay and get
an older ATI card?

What about PPC people? Are they forbidden to have a graphics card
because NVidia doesn't care about them?

No, but they just don't use nVidia products. Should every vendor supply
products for every platform?

*sigh* This is even denser that an idiot who defends DRM.

Why is it that when someone's opinion varies from theirs the other person
suddenly become an "idiot"? Is there any good purpose to resorting to name
calling or labeling?


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