Re: Can Java just shoot me?

On Saturday 24 November 2007, Chris G wrote:
On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:49:33AM -0800, Knute Johnson wrote:
Chris G wrote:
OK, you have a case where Java is useful/necessary, that doesn't mean
that *many* (or even most) uses of Java in web applications are good
and necessary.

I disagree. Usable java is the way out of monopoly control of web
browsers (and hardware as well). It's unfortunate that alternative
operating systems haven't worked to provide it.

But Java doesn't have very much to do with 99% of what a browser shows
you. It's just a way of running client side applications. At least
that's what the Java plugin (which is what provoked this whole thread)
is for.

The telescope control system I mentioned is end-to-end Java. A Java servlet
system running under tomcat drives the entire application, including sending
a few applets to the browser for the interface. The backend uses a
PostgreSQL database for triple-a (including the mandatory scheduling for
first-come first-served exclusive (but metered) access). But it's otherwise
pure Java.

Sure, the plugin only impacts the applets the servlet sends to the browser;
but that is a critical piece of the pie, being the entire interface to the
telescope.

We have found that the version number of the JRE has far more to do with
whether Smiley (the name of the telescope) will run on a particular browser
or not than the platform. We test many versions from 1.4.2 on up, and there
are too many version-specific hacks to be at all funny.

The system is, let's see, a 2.5MB war. The applet aggregate jar is only a
little over 500kB; most of the logic is in the servlet.
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www.pari.edu

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