Re: Java problem
- From: Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:47:42 -0700
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 22:27 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 30 December 2007, Craig White wrote:----
On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 15:16 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Sunday 30 December 2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
The bigger problem is distributing something that is not java
compatable but executing it with the java name. Microsoft tried to
promote an incompatible program that similarly fit their agenda with
the java name and Sun successfully sued them over it. The
fedora-shipped not-java program that executes with the java name does
just as much damage and shouldn't be named java until it passes the
compatibility tests. I'm surprised fedora's legal dept. allowed this
abuse of a trademarked name.
That's because trademark does not apply to filenames. Sun doesn't
consider classpath or GCJ as damage to Java in any way and has even used
the same license classpath originally had for their new openjdk effort.
IcedTea is a free and open source derivative of OpenJDK and included in
Fedora 8 by default and Sun has continued to use that as a prototype to
remove the binary encumbrances in their code. Once OpenJDK becomes
completely open source, Fedora will include that by default.
Besides a compatible version of Java requires signing a test suite which
until recently came with onerous restrictions that has been lifted and
paved the way to better compatibility.
http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/11/05/red-hat-helps-advance-open-source-
jav a/
Rahul
Excellent news, Rahul. Unforch not in time for F8, F9 maybe?
----
you should have followed the links in the article which would have
brought you to...
http://labs.jboss.com/community/interviews/sacha_sun.html
which actually answers that and more
Craig
Maybe. The pointlessness of this thread seems lost on about half the posters
though. Generally speaking, I'm in the same camp as Les, I just want it to
work. If I have to go put a virtual quarter in the meter, so be it. All the
political posturing in the world is of little or no use to the majority of us
if it results in something being non-functional when it works flawlessly for
the other 97% of the people on this planet running a windwoes install, legal
or not.
evidently you have missed some of the finer points of this discussion.
First off, it wasn't Windows but rather Solaris where Sun's Java works
across the board.
Secondly, while Sun audits the code and releases the code as GPL, this
code now has a home on Fedora 8 and future Fedora & Red Hat releases.
Thirdly, Les is complaining about the GNU version of java which actually
permits all of the various software to run cross platform which may not
be significant to you but it does mean that my various Macintosh PPC's
can actually run java programs and I would be sucking wind if I was
waiting for Sun to release a version of Java that works on Fedora on a
PPC.
This more or less replicates Les' contentiousness towards GNU and GPL
license stuff because he is desperately interested in running
proprietary software without hassle and blames kernel developers, GPL
license and Red Hat / Fedora packages for the problems which come from
vendors who want to only provide binary software.
Craig
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