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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Punch cards (Aaron Konstam)
2. Re: OT: Programming in C (Da Rock)
3. Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop (Patrick O'Callaghan)
4. Re: permanently enable/disable yum repositories (Aaron Konstam)
5. Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop (Les)
6. Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop (Da Rock)
7. Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop (Da Rock)
8. search eengine for archives of this list (Y Uanlux)
9. Re: search eengine for archives of this list (Wink Saville)
10. Re: Hardware reticensy (Simon Slater)
11. Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop (Pedro Freire)
12. Re: WiFi - Wireless-G and Wireless-N adapters support in
Fedora 9 (Edwin Tan)
13. Re: A silent UPS (Mike D)
14. Re: WiFi - Wireless-G and Wireless-N adapters support in
Fedora 9 (Patrick O'Callaghan)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:13:27 -0500
From: Aaron Konstam <akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Punch cards
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207782807.3067.3.camel@cyrus>
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On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 00:23 +0930, Tim wrote:

The changeover's been pushed back, yet again, to 2013. There's
experiments all over the place. Here, in Adelaide, the VHF stations
have been broadcasting for years beyond their license range, using
masses of power (they can be received across the gulf, but they're not
meant to, they're licensed for Adelaide and suburbs). All of us have
been taking advantage of that, and getting away with mediocre antenna
systems because there's such a high level of RF in the air to pick up.
SBS on UHF 28 put out the most power of the lot, ostensibly because
when
they started many had sets with bad UHF tuners and inadequate
antennas,
so they tried to make it easy.
Well Tim you may be pushing your luck on being right. I have heard
noting about pushing the digital switch to 2013. As far as I know in the
US it is still 2009. Do you have a reference for this assertion you are
making.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:12:15 +1000
From: Da Rock <rock_on_the_web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: OT: Programming in C
To: Robin.Laing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, For users of Fedora
<fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<1207782735.16346.181.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:49 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Da Rock wrote:
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 09:39 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
max bianco wrote:
I want to learn C and I know there are quite a few programmers on this
list. I am looking for a couple of good books on learning C. I am not
exactly a beginner but I am no expert and i would like to start going
over everything from scratch. So if I could get some referrals to a
couple of books I would greatly appreciate it. I am looking for a good
thorough beginners guide to C and also something for the intermediate
programmer as I expect to get through the former in fairly short
order. I ultimately will be directing my efforts at kernel hacking. As
always , any advice and or opinion is gratefully received.

Max

I took a C course ages ago and I am trying to refresh my memory. I
have
found many tutorials on C on the web. I am going through some of them
now. I have already found a few that have errors in their examples or
examples that are incomplete. Also, when searching, many of the
results
would return C++ links instead of C links.


Could you post some of those web tutorials?

I am no expert on the quality of these sites. I am just starting to go
through them. I have come across a few that were restricted to their
local country or students. (IP issues) These are in no particular order.

This is the one I am looking at now and was open. Lucky to be first I
guess.
http://users.bestweb.net/~ctips/

This one says Lesson 1: The basics of C++ but in the intro paragraph
actually says this if for C.

http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/c/lesson1.html

http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/
http://www.c-faq.com/
http://www.linfo.org/create_c1.html
http://www.deitel.com/ResourceCenters/Programming/C/CTutorialsandWebcasts/
tabid/208/Default.aspx

Then there is Googles Code search.
http://www.google.com/codesearch

As I am using Linux and gcc, I want to focus on using these tools. I
had Turbo C but it was a Windows 3.1 version.

I need to learn C for working with microcontrollers for a few projects
that I that I am now working on.

Now to dig through my boxes of books and find my C books, if I still
have them.

Also, if you are going to use gcc, then look at the man pages for
compiler flags and linking libraries. I came across this yesterday
when
I was looking for a lint program. Also you and type in man 3 {function
}
to get more information on that function.

man 3 cos


Thats good to know. I'm starting to get into this myself (when I can
scratch up some time... :) ), so it'll give me soemwhere to look.
Someone mentioned it elsewhere, but I didn't realise it was that easy,
or the man category to look for.

Cheers


Neither did I. Sure saves looking through books to find the information.

Hope this helps.
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Indeed- thanks.



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:54:16 -0430
From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207783456.23643.17.camel@bree>
Content-Type: text/plain


On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:02 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote:
I am a bit disappointed not been able to receive any answer to my 2
e-mail. I am receiving 10 to 15 e-mail a day but none of them list the
problem that I have, at this point since fedora 9 will soon be
released I will wait and try F9.
I would like to establish communication with you people, as a
newbie have some body to ask a question is a good feeling. I do have
couple other issue that I could not resolve on my own. So please I
really appreciate some sign of life

Are you sure you sent your questions to the right place? I can see no
messages from your email address on this list (and I checked back to
January).

poc




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:26:05 -0500
From: Aaron Konstam <akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: permanently enable/disable yum repositories
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207783565.3067.8.camel@cyrus>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 09:45 -0600, Frank Cox wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:24:34 +0200
Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I know that. I'm looking for a tool that does that if it exists.

What about sed?
I suspect a disablerepo line could be put in /etc/yu.conf
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:30:34 -0700
From: Les <hlhowell@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207783834.17334.2.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:02 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote:
I am a bit disappointed not been able to receive any answer to my 2
e-mail. I am receiving 10 to 15 e-mail a day but none of them list the
problem that I have, at this point since fedora 9 will soon be
released I will wait and try F9.
I would like to establish communication with you people, as a
newbie have some body to ask a question is a good feeling. I do have
couple other issue that I could not resolve on my own. So please I
really appreciate some sign of life
Thank you so much, Vinny
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Hi, Vinny,
None of us is paid to do this. We respond to those questions we know
how to answer. Sometimes what is asked is somewhat unique to a person's
setup, in which case no response is typical. Sometimes the answer is
already resident in the archives, and we expect you to search them
first. But if you search the archives first and try the solution(s)
there, and still do not have success, then compose your question such
that you tell what steps you have already taken.

Regards,
Les H



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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:41:31 +1000
From: Da Rock <rock_on_the_web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<1207784491.16346.186.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain


On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:02 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote:
I am a bit disappointed not been able to receive any answer to my 2
e-mail. I am receiving 10 to 15 e-mail a day but none of them list the
problem that I have, at this point since fedora 9 will soon be
released I will wait and try F9.
I would like to establish communication with you people, as a
newbie have some body to ask a question is a good feeling. I do have
couple other issue that I could not resolve on my own. So please I
really appreciate some sign of life

Are you sure you sent your questions to the right place? I can see no
messages from your email address on this list (and I checked back to
January).

I haven't noticed anything either, and I KNOW I would have seen this one
if it came up- I have had some trouble installing on my laptop as well.



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:42:12 +1000
From: Da Rock <rock_on_the_web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<1207784532.16346.188.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 18:54 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 19:02 -0400, Vincent Onelli wrote:
I am a bit disappointed not been able to receive any answer to my 2
e-mail. I am receiving 10 to 15 e-mail a day but none of them list the
problem that I have, at this point since fedora 9 will soon be
released I will wait and try F9.
I would like to establish communication with you people, as a
newbie have some body to ask a question is a good feeling. I do have
couple other issue that I could not resolve on my own. So please I
really appreciate some sign of life

Are you sure you sent your questions to the right place? I can see no
messages from your email address on this list (and I checked back to
January).

I haven't noticed anything either, and I KNOW I would have seen this one
if it came up- I have had some trouble installing on my laptop as well.

That said, why not repost the original question?



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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:47:57 +1000
From: "Y Uanlux" <yuanlux@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: search eengine for archives of this list
To: Fedora-list <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<f94605970804091647v3fb3b81dv98b4b9043ddcfd12@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi
The volume of this list is BIG. does anyone set up a search engine or has
search tips from google?

Thank
Y
the archives
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:05:57 -0700
From: Wink Saville <wink@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: search eengine for archives of this list
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <47FD59E5.7010705@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Y Uanlux wrote:
Hi
The volume of this list is BIG. does anyone set up a search engine or
has search tips from google?

Thank
Y
the archives
I was wondering the same thing and did find:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#searchit

But, I think having a specific database/search engine might be nice.

Wink Saville



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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:00:27 +1000
From: Simon Slater <pyevet@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hardware reticensy
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207782027.3936.7.camel@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 20:36 +0200, SzXra GyXrgy wrote:
community,
I submit to you my plain request as wether exchanging my video card
would fix the fault. My concern issue looks like
as follows:
Not knowing wether anybody among you had noticed yet the phenomenon when
ancient hardware and a relative new system clach ?
I have a P III. PC desktop with FC4 running on it for a year or so.That
configuration has been me working faultless till now.
Recently I sensed and set about a release renewal and installed RC6
release. I did not dare try a more andvanced distro fearing a clash
betveen my P III PC and the newest (Fedora8).
Although in relevant README from Fedora 6 release I did not noticed
any deficiency regarding the requirement of OS's release.
I have abundantly of CPU 1.3 Gb and 500 SDRAM. I dare say to add it
more- all my hardware ingredient were assembled of brand new qualities.
though till now the whole is becoming a little old, I must admit. But
not wanting to buy a new PC for the time being.
In spite of all this favourable conditions and to my sorry
the (Gnome ) desktop environment of my new installation shows up odd
behaviour. All destop images are miniaturized and what is more the
configuration utilities are blocked to work. I did not succeded
configure neither PPP dial-up nor CUPS for printer. The GUI's
interactive panels keep itself each time faint or eclipsed. This
suggests me there may be somewehre a clash between GUI of Fedora newer
release and my disposable Motherboard (Soltek with Via chipset) or VGA
(Nvidia 17 Geforce4MX 4000).
Don't you think a better VGA might fix this anomaly instead of buying an
up to date PC ?
Any suggestion may be highly appreciated with best regards
Gy Szara

Hi Gy,
Just to throw in my situation rather than advice, I have FC6 running
fine on 2 PII's, one 233MHz 512MbRAM and the other 400MHz with 256
MbRAM. They are not fast, but work fine. One of these days when there
is plenty of spare time, I'll try F8 on them to see what happens. I'll
leave it to others more experienced to comment on the video situation.

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Regards
Simon



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:19:46 +0100
From: Pedro Freire <pmr.freire@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207783187.4020.1.camel@pmf-fc8>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

first message I see. What was your questions ?

I have Fedora 8 installed on a laptop (fujitsu-siemens Lifebook).
Installed with no problem, no extra drivers were needed. Right out of
the box ...


-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Onelli <vonelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Fedora-list <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fedora 8 does not install on laptop
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:02:40 -0400

I am a bit disappointed not been able to receive any answer to my 2
e-mail. I am receiving 10 to 15 e-mail a day but none of them list the
problem that I have, at this point since fedora 9 will soon be released
I will wait and try F9.
I would like to establish communication with you people, as a
newbie have some body to ask a question is a good feeling. I do have
couple other issue that I could not resolve on my own. So please I
really appreciate some sign of life
Thank you so much, Vinny
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:19:40 +0800
From: "Edwin Tan" <edwintan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: WiFi - Wireless-G and Wireless-N adapters support in
Fedora 9
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <9B357AF588C5411AB66B98CA6C3B8349@EDWINTAN>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

hi all,
Since Fedora 9 is coming out soon next month. I would like to know
the drivers support for the WiFi adapters, will Fedora include the
drivers in their OS or rely on the 3rd party contributors? By the way,
found the .run installer from ATI is pretty neat. Will all the drivers
come this way?

thanks

regards,
Edwin Tan,
Technical Support Manager


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:26:00 +1200
From: "Mike D" <42flicks@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: A silent UPS
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<2b54d4370804091726k6149b730mb89c3e424732e6af@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Da Rock <rock_on_the_web@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 09:00 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Konstantin Svist wrote:
Da Rock wrote:
This may sound like a strange question, but is there a way to mute
the
voice box of a UPS? I have a highly specialised application for one-
I
need a mobile desktop pc (very cheap). I need to setup a pc for my
little girl so that she has music, video, and visualisations while
she's
in her cot- which is mobile and moved from room to room. So I don't
want
to shutdown the pc when in transit, and I certainly don't want any
shrieks when I unplug the power...




They're usually called "laptops" :-)

Some UPS models have a mute button, but you need to press it after you
hear the alarm.
Alternative is to open one up and disconnect the speaker wires.
Best, of course, is to just get a cheap laptop





I will second the comment on a laptop. You can get a decent laptop for
around the same price as all the hardware and software to mount a
computer, ups, speakers...

The added benefit is total mobility. Now you can take the full setup in
a vehicle if you have to transport her to a different location. Or if
the need arises, a hospital (with added security).

Yeah, actually the Eee PC from Asus would have been the best, BUT (big
but) the unit didn't fit the requirement I needed unless the screen
folded back 180 degrees. And I got the PC for around $350 anyway- hard
to beat with a laptop. Mind you the whole setup will cost the same as a
laptop once I'm done - PC, UPS, and a 7" touch screen monitor... Can't
get that in a laptop anywhere.

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What about the Asus with an external monitor attached? I though they
supported that? Would be a tidier solution :).
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:58:19 -0430
From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: WiFi - Wireless-G and Wireless-N adapters support in
Fedora 9
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1207787300.23643.21.camel@bree>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 08:19 +0800, Edwin Tan wrote:
hi all,
Since Fedora 9 is coming out soon next month. I would like to
know
the drivers support for the WiFi adapters, will Fedora include
the
drivers in their OS or rely on the 3rd party contributors? By
the way,
found the .run installer from ATI is pretty neat. Will all the
drivers
come this way?

Why are you replying to your own message if you're not going to add
anything? Sending the same question twice within a few hours is not
going to win you any friends.

If by any chance you aren't sure if your question has reached the list,
you can always check the archives at
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list before repeating it.

poc




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