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Today's Topics:

1. Re: network configuration file (Marc Wilson)
2. Re: network configuration file (Antonio Olivares)
3. Re: SELinux issue with BackupPC 3.1.0 on Fedora 6 (Todd Zullinger)
4. LVM - Install F9 without LVM (Bob Hartung)
5. Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM (Antonio Olivares)
6. Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM (Tim)
7. Re: unable to enumerate USB device (Tim)
8. Re: pulseaudio does not start after kernel update
(Antti J. Huhtala)
9. Re: Can NTFS r/w support be built into the initrd?
(jkosin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
10. Re: Missing Hardwae option (Tim)
11. Re: cron job (Nifty Fedora Mitch)
12. Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM (Peter Langfelder)
13. print request completed but no printer output (Francisco Corella)
14. Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM (edik077@xxxxxxxxx)
15. Re: New support lists? (Gordon Messmer)
16. Re: print request completed but no printer output (Simon Slater)
17. Re: New support lists? (Antonio Olivares)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:08:24 -0700
From: Marc Wilson <msw@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: network configuration file
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20080730020824.GE5760@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 01:21:23PM -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
By default Fedora uses NetworkManager to connect to networks both wired
and wireless. You can change things manually, but it is much easier to
let NetWorkManger do it for you :)

Didn't you mean it was much easier to remove NetworkManager and let tools
that actually work configure the network for you?

I had occasion to use NM last week... it's the same POS it always was.

IMHO the *only* reason you would ever want NM around would be if you needed
to connect to a WPA-protected wireless network.

--
Marc Wilson | QOTD: On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd say... oh, somewhere
msw@xxxxxxx | in there.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: network configuration file
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <244651.31729.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

By default Fedora uses NetworkManager to connect to
networks both wired
and wireless. You can change things manually, but it
is much easier to
let NetWorkManger do it for you :)

Didn't you mean it was much easier to remove
NetworkManager and let tools
that actually work configure the network for you?
Yes sir! :) Pretty much Tom Horsely answered the thread much better than I
did. I referred the OP to Mauriat Miranda's page where the
advise is to do
the same as what Tom mentioned

# service NetworkManager stop
# chkconfig NetworkManager off
# chkconfig network on
# service network start


I had occasion to use NM last week... it's the same POS
it always was.

On a laptop in which one has both a wired network and a wireless network
(that works) it is fine to have NetworkManager. Although it is
a pain when
dealing with protected networks. Sometimes one has to retype
the password(s)
to known networks.


IMHO the *only* reason you would ever want NM around would
be if you needed
to connect to a WPA-protected wireless network.
Very true :)

--
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say... oh, somewhere
msw@xxxxxxx | in there.

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Regards,

Antonio






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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:21:41 -0400
From: Todd Zullinger <tmz@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: SELinux issue with BackupPC 3.1.0 on Fedora 6
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20080730022141.GX5655@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Aleksey Tsalolikhin wrote:
If I turn off SE Linux, BackupPC works fine. But per our policy,
this server must have SE Linux turned on.

What's the point of a policy that requires SELinux to be enabled yet
allows a server to run an OS release that stopped receiving any
updates well over a year ago?

How to make this work, please?

You could look at audit2why and audit2allow, as well as the SELinux
policy for RHEL/CentOS (though I don't know if BackupPC is handled in
that policy or not).

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:34:58 -0500
From: Bob Hartung <rwhart@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: Fedora List <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <488FD352.9070606@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi all,
How do I install F9 without LVM? Even when selecting custom
install/partitioning, I cannot delete the LVM volume.

Tnx,

bob



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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:56:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <454102.38213.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

--- On Tue, 7/29/08, Bob Hartung <rwhart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Bob Hartung <rwhart@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: "Fedora List" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 7:34 PM
Hi all,
How do I install F9 without LVM? Even when selecting
custom
install/partitioning, I cannot delete the LVM volume.

Tnx,

bob

--

Bob,

Try installing in Text Mode, from release notes it says :

LVM Unavailable in Text Installs

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-disk-druid.html

Try that. Hopefully that let's you install without LVM.

Regards,

Antonio






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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:24 +0930
From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1217386704.2710.3.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:34 -0500, Bob Hartung wrote:
How do I install F9 without LVM? Even when selecting custom
install/partitioning, I cannot delete the LVM volume.

Look around the partitioning tool, you'll see that some things sit on
top of others. Remove them in the right sequence. This is easy if
you're dedicating the whole drive to Linux, you can try removing each
part, one by one. Be careful if you're trying to keep something, though
(e.g. dual-boot systems).

I installed 9 on one box that way. I let it have LVM on a laptop I'm
playing with, I figured that I wouldn't have anything other than
settings that need keeping on the laptop, so being able to rescue things
isn't a priority. I don't know if we've got any good tools for
recovering from LVM problems yet.

--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:48:10 +0930
From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: unable to enumerate USB device
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1217387890.2710.7.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 12:35 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
This is still an F8 machine. I get them both at bootup, and
sometimes when I plug in a new USB device.

I haven't tried 8, I skipped from 7 to 9.

Jul 29 12:03:20 mikkel kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device
on port 6
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: new full speed USB device using
ohci_hcd and address 13
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1
choice
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: New USB device found, idVendor=
0830, idProduct=0050
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1,
Product=2, SerialNumber=
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: Product: Palm Handheld
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: Manufacturer: Palm, Inc.
Jul 29 12:03:21 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: SerialNumber: PalmSN12345678
Jul 29 12:04:33 mikkel kernel: usb 4-3: USB disconnect, address 13

Taking a deeper look at things, I noticed that hub 1 is a version
2.0 hub, and hub 4 is a version 1.10 hub. These are both internal
hubs, so I wounder if they are using the same socket? Could it be
that the high speed hub (v2.0) tries to talk to the device, and when
it can not, it hands it off to the full speed hub (v1.10)?

USB starts off with version 1, at the slowest speed (the lowest common
denominator), then sees if it can shift up speeds and to using version
2. This appears as the host device changing from 1 to 2, not just the
thing plugged into it.

--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:29:00 +0300
From: "Antti J. Huhtala" <ahuhtal4@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: pulseaudio does not start after kernel update
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Andrea <mariofutire@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1217388540.3011.20.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

ma, 2008-07-28 kello 23:57 +0300, Antti J. Huhtala kirjoitti:
ma, 2008-07-28 kello 20:28 +0100, Andrea kirjoitti:

Is there a bug report for that?

Andrea

Not by me, and haven't had the time to check if someone else has.
I briefly tried the previous kernel and PA seems to work OK in it.
I'll write a bug report tomorrow if no one else has by then.

Antti

Replying to my own post: After trying what Alan Cox suggested in another
thread (Re: getting sound back) on 28th July, my pulseaudio sound worked
OK all day yesterday using the latest 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64 kernel.

In addition, there are already a number of bug reports in bugzilla that
cover the PA issue (eg. 456485, 455661, 455202, 452702, and 438284) for
F9. Check these and add a comment if you think you can shed more light
on the problem. I decided my experience had little or no added value.

Antti





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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: jkosin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Can NTFS r/w support be built into the initrd?
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<49321.98.166.145.65.1217388725.squirrel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Tom spot Callaway <tcallawa@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I thought that might be the answer but wanted to at least ask. In that
case
a somewhat related question...

Would it be pretty easy to get the modules (ricoh_mmc and dependencies)
required to use the ricoh internal SD card reader in the initrd? The other
thing i wanted to do was just put syslinux on the USB drive since it will
boot to that, but not the card reader, and then actually have the livecd
image on an SD card.

The end result I'm looking for is to be able to plug in the USB thumb
drive
and boot, but after the initrd is done, be able to remove the USB drive so
I
don't have it sticking out of the machine, while running the live image
off
of the SD card.

It's just so darn easy to remove/break the usb drive off when moving
around
with a laptop, not to mention I have a 13 month old that is attracted to
the
blue LED light when it's being accessed.

Thanks,
Richard
--

Richard,

It doesn't get easier as they get older. I have a 28 month old and a 5
year old both liking the computer. The 28 month old has found the KILL
switch in the back of the computer for the power supply. And my 5 year
old always wants the computer when I would like or need to use it for just
a short time.

You should be able to use a FAT or V-FAT partition. Windows should still
like those file systems and they may be easier to integrate into the
kernel than the NTFS support.

James



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:32:48 +0930
From: Tim <ignored_mailbox@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Missing Hardwae option
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1217390568.2710.15.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 17:14 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I would guess you were correct but you are not. I used the file:

~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list
containing:

[Added Associations]
x-content/audio-cdda=totem.desktop;
x-content/video-dvd=livna-vlc.desktop;

I logged out and logged in. But rhythembox appeared and not totem as
one of the options. Try it and see if you can make what you describe
to work. Its frustrating.

Looking at the totem.desktop file, I don't find it listing cdda in the
MIME types that it supports, so it shouldn't get offered as a player for
them, though it (movie player) is on the right-click list when I browse
through the psuedo-tracks in Nautilus. I didn't have an audio disc
handy when I responded, last night.

Can you get totem to play audio discs, manually? I can't through the
play disc menu entry in the program, but can through the + button to
browse for a file, and I can externally.

If you can, it would seem that you've added a plug-in for it, and that
should add to the list of MIME types it can accept.

Totem would seem a terribly bloated application for playing an audio CD.

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[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:05:13 -0700
From: Nifty Fedora Mitch <niftyfedora@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: cron job
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20080730040513.GA4340@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 04:29:44PM -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 tony.chamberlain@xxxxxxxxx wrote:


Output from nightly cronjobs is filling root's mailbox quickly,
and sending everything else to /var/spool/mqueue. These are just
status messages (stdout) from the cronjobs which we don't really need
mailed to root. Is there anyway to suppress mailings?

Send your jobs to /dev/null like so:
30 0 * * * /path/to/program >> /dev/null

Make sense?

The above addresses stdout as requested
also consider stderr..

2 1 * * * $HOME/bin/check-calendar > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/
null &

In general a unix program should be 'silent' unless there is an error.
If cronjobs are filling the mailbox too quickly then look at the jobs
to see why they are generating so much traffic.

Also since this is root and most users 'never' login as root, ;-) also look
at
/etc/aliases. It is possible to send mail for root to a person. That person
can
sort, filter, read and dispose of the traffic as needed. Look near the
lines:

# Person who should get root's mail
#root: marc

Don't forget to run newaliases.


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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:06:49 -0700
From: "Peter Langfelder" <peter.langfelder@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<e292e50807292106k4b96b6c8nbd641c153ed2a0e6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Bob Hartung <rwhart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
How do I install F9 without LVM? Even when selecting custom
install/partitioning, I cannot delete the LVM volume.


Hmm.. I installed F9 on my desktop using the graphical installer
(anaconda) without LVM without any trouble. Unfortunately it was so
simple I don't remember the details anymore. Perhaps you don't want to
delete the volume but rather change its type?

HTH,

Peter



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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Francisco Corella <francisco_corella@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: print request completed but no printer output
To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <84124.21879.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hello,

I'm trying to use a USB printer with Fedora 8. When I
plugged in the printer to the computer, Gnome
correctly identified the printer as a Brother
MFC-665CW and found a driver for it. I sent several
print requests using Firefox, and also using the
commands lp and lpr. All print jobs were successfully
completed according to lpstat, and according to
/var/log/cups/error_log. But there was no printer
output. The printer is working fine when plugged in
to a Mac. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Francisco



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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:02 -0700
From: edik077@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: LVM - Install F9 without LVM
To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<48c5f0a00807292122y6f20e55cqfb5fc69a04074af@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Bob, choose manual partioning with disk druid. Check the box: "Allow
me to review and make changes" or something like that. The you'll be
able to see a single VolumeGroup that includes the Logical Volumes.
Delete, first the Logical Volumes then the VolumeGroup. After that,
create at minimum the following partitions: /boot, /, /home, and a
swap partition. It depends what you wanna use the box for. If it is a
desktop the previous scheme will work if it is a server use /boot, /,
/tmp, /var /usr and a swap partitions.

Personally I use LVM on my boxes on a couple of desktops like this scheme:
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 / ext3 defaults 1 1
LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
devpts /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0
tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol02 /home ext3 defaults 1 2
proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
sysfs /sys sysfs defaults 0 0
/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 swap swap defaults 0 0

The advantage with this scheme is that I can easily resize my Logical
Volumes when I need it without any disturbance and in an easy way.
Think twice before that advantages/disadvantages of LVM before going
for a classic partiton style. I even use LVM on an itranet I use on my
job for almost five years and it works beautiful. Again, it depends
what are you gonna use the box for. Regards

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Peter Langfelder
<peter.langfelder@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Bob Hartung <rwhart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
How do I install F9 without LVM? Even when selecting custom
install/partitioning, I cannot delete the LVM volume.


Hmm.. I installed F9 on my desktop using the graphical installer
(anaconda) without LVM without any trouble. Unfortunately it was so
simple I don't remember the details anymore. Perhaps you don't want to
delete the volume but rather change its type?

HTH,

Peter

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:22:10 -0700
From: Gordon Messmer <yinyang@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New support lists?
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <488FEC72.4090303@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Alan Cox wrote:

I'll make one other comment here. Most 'Free Software' people I know (and
I count myself as one) share your view of GNU/Alexandre and wish quite
frankly he was a microsoft fanboy instead as he'd do more good for Free
and Open Source software that way.

The majority of this very long thread has, I think, bee focused on
correcting misinformation about the GPL. I don't see how letting FUD
spread about that license, or any other Free Software license, is going
to do any good for anyone.



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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:20:04 +1000
From: Simon Slater <pyevet@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: print request completed but no printer output
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1217391604.1322.28.camel@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain


On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:07 -0700, Francisco Corella wrote:
Hello,

I'm trying to use a USB printer with Fedora 8. When I
plugged in the printer to the computer, Gnome
correctly identified the printer as a Brother
MFC-665CW and found a driver for it. I sent several
print requests using Firefox, and also using the
commands lp and lpr. All print jobs were successfully
completed according to lpstat, and according to
/var/log/cups/error_log. But there was no printer
output. The printer is working fine when plugged in
to a Mac. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Francisco

I have the same model. A good place to start is here:
http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html You need to go to
different pages to get the drivers for printer, scan and fax.

From memory I had to install the brother drivers first, but hal still
created an entry in the printer list itself (a thread last year
discussed this). Take care to follow the correct sequence ( lpd driver
before cups driver) and all should go well. A current thread discusses
how to handle any SELinux denials.

Printing is working fine for me, faxes fine, scans as root but am
working on getting it for users, works USB or network but haven't tried
wireless yet.

--
Hooroo,
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Antonio Olivares <olivares14031@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: New support lists?
To: For users of Fedora <fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <628833.89630.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

The majority of this very long thread has, I think, bee
focused on
correcting misinformation about the GPL. I don't see
how letting FUD
spread about that license, or any other Free Software
license, is going
to do any good for anyone.

--

IANAL, even the ones that are can tell that the licensing is a very
complicated issue. I have been in those discussions because I
have questions
myself. In many ways it is an excellent license, but it does
have certain
clauses that in certain situations, you must comply with it or
you can get
into trouble. This has happened to companies who have abused
the system and
to individuals for not complying in some way.
The wording is complicated, certain clauses about you can do this, but if
you do ..., then you must ****. Everything matters and is
important.

On the same token, I have argued back and forth and acknowledge that I
misbehaved in some ways. I ask for clemency and hope that all
is forgiven :)


On the new lists issue, I do not agree that new lists are necessary.
Eventually those long threads will appear and it will be
difficult not to to
see them. There were the KDE4 ones, not too long ago.
Eventually things got
settled :) This is nature of the list. We have to be prepared
for everything.
I will also repeat one thing that does justice to the list
members. Many
are very nice and helpful people that give proper advice and are
very
knowledgeable in Fedora and other Linuxes with GNU also included.
It is a
priviledge to learn from many great people :)

Regards,

Antonio






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