Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

On 09/27/2011 03:09 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 09/27/2011 12:01 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 09/27/2011 11:59 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Roger wrote:
On 26/09/11 19:38, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 09/22/2011 02:15 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them
free and one can make a strong case that therefore Fedora developers
have no responsibility to listen to user's complaints.

However, the Fedora users provide a service to the ReHat company of
identifying bugs that otherwise would show up to annoy the paying users
of RedHat Enterprise .

This is probably a weak argument to support the developers of Fedora
software listening to its users but what is clear is the current
situation leaves a bad taste in the mouths of the current Fedora
user-base. Clearly developers can ignore our complaints, but I have no
evidence that the paying Enterprise customers will be more tolerant of
the strange direction that RedHat is taking.
This is all too vague for me to understand. What are you talking about?

Some say that the new Fedora GUI is unhelpful and possibly difficult to
use, preferring a simpler desktop.

Ahh, this is all about GNOME 3. It's very unfair to describe the
actions/attitude of GNOME developers at that of all Fedora developers.

As long as Fedora ship a "first release", as you prefer to call it, as
"default DE", people will identify and set equal "Fedora" with "Gnome3".

They're wrong. A DE is just a thin skin over an OS, as we all know.
I'm a developer of Fedora software, and the DE has nothing to do with
me.
No disagreement - My position is similar. I think Fedora basically is an
excellent distro, unfortunately its default DE is unusable to me.

No matter how much I listen to people's complaints about GNOME,
nothing is going to happen.
Please elaborate.

Because the Gnome devs are preferring not to listen to their former
users' complaints and prefer to furtherly isolate themselves in their
"devine ivory cathedral's tower"?

Or, provided many Gnome devs are on RHAT's payrole, because RHAT has a
secret "grant masterplan" to turn Fedora and later on RHEL into a
tablet/phone OS?

My view: The Gnome devs chose to kill their former user-base, i.e. also
Fedora's user-base. Therefore it would be consequent for Fedora's
management to reconsider if Gnome can any longer be Fedora's default DE.

All I can do is point out to people that
XFCE might be more to their taste.
Like others said before, in comparison to Gnome2, xfce looks like lego
and is a step backward, but it at least is not as unusable as Gnome3.

To me, using xfce so far is the bitter pill to swallow and the only
viable alternative to avoid having to switch the distro.

I find this very relatable and therefore find "throwing Fedora and
Gnome3 into one big bowl" to be not without justification.

It is entirely without justification.
I disagree - Fedora and Gnome are closely connected.

This new new-user-base likely is (mostly) satisfied, but many of these
distros' "old long term supporters and users" simply feel their so far
choosen distro's DE doesn't suite their needs anymore.

This distro has more than one DE.
Right, but which? People had reasons to use Gnome2, now they are being
forced to switch to GUI/DEs they never wanted.

Ralf
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