Re: Fedora - time to blink

On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 11:09 -0500, Matt Rose wrote:
Ever since I switched back to Fedora from
Ubuntu, I hate the fact that I have to tweak my DE to hell and back
before
I can use it efficiently after every upgrade, I have to install a
decent
font, I have to go into gconf-editor to configure focus-follows-mouse,
and
any number of annoying manual steps just to get a desktop that rivals
what
Ubuntu gives me out of the box.

Once again we see issues with Gnome 3 being laid at Fedora's door. I
haven't used Gnome since the days of KDE 2 (yes 2, not even 3), so all
this is somewhat of a sideshow as far as I'm concerned. No doubt it's a
deep and important issue for Gnome users, but it's *not* a problem with
Fedora as such.

Couple of thoughts.

The customizations I do, very little of it has to do with Gnome3
specifically. In fact, only the focus follows mouse issue. Most of it
has to do with the terrible, terrible font rendering, the lack of support
for most modern media formats, and other annoyances. I've had to do these
tweaks for far longer than Gnome3 was around.

In fact, one of the reasons I came back to Fedora was for gnome3, as I did
use Ubuntu up until 10.10, but I didn't want to move to Unity. If you guys
think Gnome3 is bad...

As well, KDE's track record on this is not exactly stellar. KDE4 was
basically unusable up until 4.3 or so. Gnome3 is going through some
growing pains right now, but that's to be expected.

Fact is, no matter what DE you use, the out of the box experience on
Fedora is terrible. Yes, you can fiddle with this or that config file,
and install this or that 3rd party package to fix it, but out of the box,
Fedora is pretty much unusable as a desktop environment for any purpose.

By trade, I'm a linux Systems Engineer, and I work on my own customized
Linux distro based on CentOS (hence my interest in Fedora), and I find
this stuff hard, and a flat-out pain in the ass, especially when
competition like Ubuntu is out there, and demonstrates plainly that the
out-of-box experience can be pleasant.

Fedora is not going to win any converts this way.

Matt

poc

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