Re: Where is Gnome heading?

On 10/5/06, Daniel Kasak <dkasak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
sardaukar siet wrote:

Is there a 3.x coming anytime soon?

Changing the major version of a product usually implies a break in
backwards compatibility. Perhaps a change from 2.x to 3.x for Gnome
would go along with a change from gtk-2.x to gtk-3.x. That said, I'm not
looking forward to 3.x, as I'm quite happy with the way our custom-built
gtk2 software works.

Where are the revolutionary ideas on the desktop?

Compiz? Enlightenment? I think these projects are pushing the
revolutionary stuff on the desktop. I don't see gnome so much as a
desktop 'product' as a collection of desktop software - probably because
I don't use Gnome / Metacity directly ... I use Enlightenment, with
gnome software. For me, the software means things like nautilus, totem,
gimp, evince. I'm quite happy with the way these work, and I can't
really see any revolutionary changes ahead for these products.

Is maintaining such a large C-codebase becoming a nightmare to manage?

?

If so, why not dump C?

I write all my apps in Perl ( gtk2-perl ), but when I get around to
putting some finishing touches on my Perl projects, I'll be heading
*towards* C, not away from it. C seems to be the choice of language for
Linux developers. Maybe for simple desktop stuff like photo management
etc it doesn't exactly make sense to write the *GUI* in C, but it
certainly makes sense to write the *libraries* in C, and once you've got
developers writing libraries in C, then they're free to write apps in C
too. People are free to write competing software in other languages.

Why not start a GNOME-3 project and start adding experimental code and
features to it?

What's with the pre-occupation with the number 3? :) There is enough
experimental code slipping into so-called stable releases. For example,
I'm having to rebuild quite a bit of software on a number of desktop
machines ( ie downgrade to gtk-2.8.x ) at the moment because of some
interesting bugs in gtk-2.10.x's treeview stuff. What sort of
experimental stuff are you looking for anyway?

Please consider embracing C#

I don't think so. The minute people start rewriting bits of gnome in C#
is the minute I jump ship. I think people are more than aware of the
legal minefield Gnome would be wading into by embracing a Microsoft
technology such as C#. At the *very* least, assuming they don't use
their trademark dirty tactics to crush the competition, we would be
playing an eternal game of catch-up. That's required for a project like
OpenOffice, where MS Office compatibility is an absolute requirement to
get people to use their product. But this requirement - C# compatibility
- is NOT a requirement for gnome or for desktop linux. Why do we have to
lend credibility and developers to their environment anyway? What's
wrong with C for libraries and scripting languages such as Perl and
Python for lazy people? Sure there are good reasons for not using C for
everything. But there's a BIG difference between advising people against
using C, and advising people to use C#. For example, Hell will freeze
over before I use C#.

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I sincerely hope that GNOME Development does not move toward C#, In my
opinion the world should shift more toward C not away from it. I Chose
the Gnome Desktop over KDE just because Gnome used C. C being Error
prone is not a large issue, with great power comes great
responsibility. Don't get me wrong I have very few issues with RAD
languages like C#, it has it's place(to test Proof of concepts.)

There is a GREAT deal of well written, debugged and time tested Flat
C Source available on the Internet. glib is becoming one of them.
People Just need to learn that leverage the use of this code can begin
to close the gap between a RAD language and Flat C.

I also would Jump ship *IF* a move to C# was ever seriously considered.

Sam Fourman Jr.
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