Re: [kde-linux] Starting up KDE hangs with a black desktop and movable mouse cursor.
- From: Phillip Pi <ant@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:23:07 -0800
Two days ago on my home Debian system, I exited KDE v3.5.x (not sure
exactly what version I have) and X back to console/text mode and
restarted it (startx) but now I get a hang. I see a black desktop/GUI/X
with a movable mouse cursor after seeing NVIDIA logo and an one second
gray desktop. I have to use ctrl-alt-backspace to kill X to get out of
it.
I did some investigations and experiments as well. You can see the logs,
results, etc. in
http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/17919/Starting-up-KDE-hangs-with-a-black-desktop-and-mov.html
thread since they would be too much to post in here.
I had KDE 3.5.8 until updating yesterday. Every since then, attempts to
start KDE from command line report either not finding kdeinit or errors
trying to run kdeinit. I even removed everything KDE and reinstalled it,
still having same problems.
Do you remember what was updated yesterday? I updated on Friday because
I saw kdelibs (4:3.5.8.dfsg.1-3) so I decided to restart X. I don't know
if kdelib update caused the problem since I haven't restart X for like
two weeks! Is this what you did too?
Actually, my KDE problems began on Friday, I did an update and there
were updates to gcc and such. Didn't see any updates to KDE at that time.
This is what I updated on Friday before I exited X (again, I don't know
if these actually caused the startkde hang): cpp-4.1 gcalctool gcc-4.1
gcc-4.1-base gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data iputils-ping kdelibs
libcurl3-gnutls libgail-common libgail18 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a
libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgsmme1c2a libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a
libnessus2 libportaudio2 python-gnome2 vino libasound2
I did the update again later that night as an attempt to fix - I've had
problems with partial updates, I think due to repositories being in an
in-between state - some packages updated to the newer version, but other
related packages not updated YET.
Hmm. I am using Lenny/testing. Here's my sources.list:
$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# Based on Mousey's Sources.list
# These are the official of the official debian repos..
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main non-free
contrib
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing-proposed-updates main
non-free contrib
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ proposed-updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ proposed-updates main non-free
contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free
# Xine CSS plugins
deb http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/debian-unofficial/ ./
# VideoLAN DVD stuff
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main
deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main
Anyway, I was up late determining that the problem wasn't due to any
updates to Xorg and that fluxbox worked with no problems.
Yep. That is what I found. Xorg (even without NVIDIA driver; using VESA)
and Gnome were fine.
This afternoon I ripped out the installed KDE and went to reinstall, and
found that 3.5.8 was no longer available as an option (only 3.5.7). So I
can successfully run KDE 3.5.7 from fluxbox, but not from the command line.
Odd. I did an unintall (not sure if I got all out) and reinstalled. But
still didn't work.
I have other weirdnesses on the system that I'm trying to solve - for
instance, getting driver modules to install on startup - so I don't
really know what in all this tangle is the root of the problem.
Ah, I haven't had those.
I've been rather disappointed with Linux updates this year - three times
now, I've had updates hose my system. At least one was an error in a
package!
Ouch. It didn't kill my system. Only KDE went bonker.
In fact, a friend of mine updated 3.5.8 a few weeks ago and got himself
a non-functioning KDE because something wasn't indicated properly in a
package somewhere and a piece of KDE that should have been updated
wasn't. I don't remember what it was now, though.
Rats. Was it the same symptoms I am having or different? I wonder if it
is the same.
BUT to make things more strange - the KDE 3.5.7 runs fine if I start it
using "exec startkde" inside an XShell in Fluxbox!!!!
Ha, in Gnome and its terminal, I tried that just now but it hangs at
"Setting up interprocess communication." at the first blinking icon
(wheel) and hangs. Terminal shows "startkde: starting up" (same as
shown in logs).
Mine takes a lot longer at that icon than it did before I had to start
it from inside fluxbox - but it eventually gets past it.
Ah, mine never did and timed out and failed (no errors).
For now, I'm adding more drive space to my file server, then I'll backup
my home directory and reinstall ... stupid computers!
:(
Anyway, time I did a real good backup of my /home directory, anyway. I
have Etch running fine on my server, so I think I'll put it on the
laptop, too. And maybe add a partition for a good multimedia/audio
distro to accommodate my music composition hobby ...
Let me know how it goes. I hope I don't have to do a reinstall!
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