Re: [kde-linux] Desktop widget like Windows Vista sidebar/clock thing?

On Tuesday 06 October 2009 21:23:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Tuesday 06 October 2009, Anne Wilson wrote:

I beg your pardon? Is this a feature of the folderview desktop? (I'm
not going to change to it, because I have to resize all my widgets when I
change back, and I can't be bothered tonight.) I use the plain KDE4
desktop and have never mounted anything from the CLI. even on 4.0. My
fixed drives (including remote ones) are mounted from fstab and
removables from the device notifier, or in dolphin if it's already open.

Anne

On this list you wrote that on folderview "most things function just as
they did in KDE 3". Well yes, if you use folderview as your desktop you
can again right-click, add a link to a device and configure it as you
would in KDE 3... except it does not work! When you want to mount the
device you are told that "only Root can do this", despite the fact that
you device(s) is correctly added to fstab. So all you can do is open a
console and mount (which here works perfectly as a normal user).

Sorry - you lost me. The device is in fstab, but you are manually mounting
it? I certainly can recall seeing exactly that message if you tried to mount
such a drive as user under kde3 - that's what taught me to mount as root, from
the command line.

Removable devices are mounted through the notifier or in dolphin, using the
plain desktop. You say that that doesn't work in a folderview desktop? I'll
try that out in the morning.

Apparently this is a bug in some kdelib that has not been fixed all through
the last KDE 4 releases. Makes the folderview rather useless in this
case...

Well I don't like it and choose not to use it, but many people are very happy
with it, and some distros default to it. I can't imagine why they would do
that if it didn't work.

Yes, I have the device notifier. AFAIK it's totaly useless to mount nfs
shares and partitions included in fstab as "noauto" mount.

Again, you've lost me. The device notifier handles removable drives. How can
nfs shares be removable drives?

Plus the silly
thing pops up anytime you plug something in, so you get a wonderful
Windows taste, with messages poping up (and not removing themselves by
the
way).

You don't like it, others do.


I don't want to use the notifier, and I don't want to use the dolphin pane
either. Dolphin is no improvement over Konquerors two-pane mode either, as
you can't set it to open with two different directories in the two panes.

It *opens* as a duplicate of the other, yes. What else would it do until you
tell it what you want? The two windows then function independently. Try
opening a terminal in dolphin (F4) - it opens in the directory of the pane
that you are using. The independence is clear.

So I must say I'm still at the same point: I keep reading people saying
that "KDE rocks" (where? how?) and that it brings improvements over KDE 3,
but I can't see where. People here keep saying "turn off this or that
feature to gain speed", and big announcements are when KDE 3 features are
back... I won't dispute the fact that big improvements where made "under
the hood" - I can't say, maybe. But as far as the Desktop is concerned, I
have the feeling that while they took all the best ideas from the
available desktops at the time to make KDE 1,2,3, for KDE 4 they took all
the worse and most stupid and useless features. I am still to find a
usefull plasmoid (ok, having two clocks setup at the time of different
cities can count as one, maybe).

Again, the fact that others find certain plasmoids useful is of no consequence
to you. You are right and they are wrong.

Hopefully at some point we get enough KDE 3 features back and enough
configuration possibilities so that those who want the useless features (or
maybe they are not useless to them...) can have them and the others can get
a simple, efficient desktop back.

As long as you refuse to make a simple statement of what you want to achieve
and accept help you are not in any position to make a judgement. Thousands
of people have managed to get the desktop they want. Why don't you try
asking how to achieve what you want?

Anne
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