[kde] Re: Possible bug in kwin or ??

On Monday, April 25, 2011 10:58:50 AM Duncan did opine:

gene heskett posted on Mon, 25 Apr 2011 07:09:22 -0400 as excerpted:
This reply will detail why your bug tracker

FWIW, I'm not sure if that's a general "your", directed at any kde
people who may be reading, or an individual "your", directed at me as
the person to whom you replied.

'your' was meant in the context that this is a kde list, not specifically
you by any means.

Just to be clear, I'm not a kde dev, nor a kde member in any official
capacity, nor even am I a dev in general, unless you consider bash
scripts "development".

We have that in common then.

I'm simply a kde user as you are, and a list
regular from the 4.2.4 era when I first tried to work with the then
entirely alpha (despite claims to the contrary) quality kde4. I spend
a lot of time reading various sources about Linux and KDE, and run
Gentoo, so I might know a bit more than average about how they work,
but I'm still just a user and sysadmin over my own systems, same as
you.

So that "your bug tracker" is as much /your/ bug tracker as it is mine.
=:^\

;-)

Of course, the reference could also be interpreted as a back-reference
to my specific suggestion to file a bug. In that case, I suppose it's
accurate as such a back-reference, since I /did/ make that suggestion.

leaves a very bad taste in
my mouth. If it offends someone to the extent that the bug handling
gets fixed, that's nice, but this is NOT the first time I have ranted
about kde's broken bug system. So with that in mind, RANT MODE ON:

While that seems a reasonable request, AIR the passwd db for access to
this bug manager seems to be cleaned at 90 day or so intervals. I
have signed up, but my passwd written on the wall doesn't work the
next time, and when I try to rejoin, it refuses to process the
request claiming I am already a member. However, requesting a passwd
reminder never results in the reception of such a message by me,
effectively locking me out of the process, so the bug never gets
filed. I have even sent msgs to admin@xxxxxxx, but that seems to be a
black hole.

After a while I lose patience with a method that seems purposely
designed to prevent/discourage the filing of bugs and just say screw
it

Understandable under the circumstances.

I think so, obviously.

FWIW, based on my experience with kde's bug tracker and others, it may
be the browser cookie that automatically logs you in that expires after
a few months. After it expires, the next time you visit, you won't be
logged in. If the password you wrote down and the email address don't
correspond... problem.

Browser cookies do expire. And if I re-enter the passwd correctly, then a
reasonable person would assume that the presence or lack of a cookie should
be entirely moot.

FWIW, for bug databases at least, I let the browser remember my login
info for me. Konqueror and kwallet seems to work quite well for that
-- better than firefox does at times, for instance.

Firefox works well in that regard, remembered passwd's for important sites,
or even /., seem to work well and I am greeted by my username at such
sites.

The other hint in that regard is to always use the login page so the
browser remembers it, not the quick login that's often on the individual
bug pages, etc, if you're not logged in, because those are individual
URLs and you'd have to go back to the same one to get the browser to
remember. By logging it at the actual login page each time, including
the first, you always use the page the browser is tracking the login
info for, and it works far better! =:^)

I hadn't considered that there may be more than one 'login page' associated
with a given groups (like kde for example), in which case it seems there
should either be only one page, with links to the various projects within
the group once logged in, or a method of synchronizing the individual login
databases.

Second, again for low to medium security sites (not your bank login,
IOW), the best solution I've found is to simply keep a plain text file
with the login info. Additionally, and this is IMPORTANT, always type
the password into the text file, THEN SELECT/PASTE or COPY/PASTE IT
FROM THERE TO THE PASSWORD BOX, as this allows you to actually see what
you're typing. If you type it directly into the password box, all you
often see are stars, and if you make a mistake there you won't see it.
Then you retype it as you /thought/ you typed it into the text file,
but it's different because you made a mistake typing it into the
password box and didn't catch it. By typing it into the text file, then
using the clipboard to put it in the password box, the consistency
between them is assured. Just be sure to type the NEW one into the
text editor and copy IT over, if the first one is rejected for some
reason. Actually, I'll often try pasting it somewhere else too, to be
very sure the clipboard contains exactly what I think it does, before
pasting it into the password box itself.

That is no doubt good advice, and with this particular keyboard, very good
advice. After the fact doesn't help now of course, and probably 10 or more
keyboards have been involved over the years. Combine sticky keys and
ancient fingers that were never in the same room with a typing tutor, and
you get the picture pretty clearly I think.

I've had far less password trouble since I started doing that, than
before! =:^) But as I said, it's not a good idea to use the unencrypted
text file for anything that's REALLY important, bank logins, ssh logins
to your servers if you're not using key-based login instead, etc. The
same technique can be used for them but you should encrypt the file or
something, just in case. Then you have to remember the password to
unlock the file, but that's just one to remember, while the file can
have all the encrypted logins you want (well, within reason) stored in
it. But for bug tracker logins, etc, a plain text file is probably
secure enough, as long as you aren't using the same passwords for it as
your really secure stuff, anyway.

ATM I don't even know the URL. Since I changed ISP's about a year
ago, maybe it doesn't know me and I could join long enough to get the
bug filed.
/Current/ URL please?

https://bugs.kde.org

Step one for a new account has been done.


or, simply typing bugs.kde.org into krunner opens konqueror (it'd be
whatever browser you've set as your default for kde) to the correct
place, here, and that's easy enough to remember.

Funnily, I don't recall the last time I actually used krunner, if that is
what its called. I keep plenty of terminal shells open. krunner hides
errors, a shell doesn't...

Thanks Duncan.

--
Cheers, Gene
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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