[kde] Re: Autostart locations in KDE4



On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:54 +0000, "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim Edwards posted on Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:53:52 +0200 as excerpted:

Recently I found that knetworkmanager wasn't starting up when I logged
into KDE. I tried looking for any mention of it in the 'startup and
shutdown' control centre module, but no luck. Eventually I found a tip
on a forum that I had to set 'Autostart=true' in
~/.kde4/share/config/networkmanagementrc

FWIW I don't use networkmanager at all, here. I have two main systems
here. My workstation is setup with a constant wired Ethernet connection
that's started as one of the system init services. My netbook... isn't
really used as a /net/book but rather as a portable un-networked computer
most of the time. Its Ethernet, which I use for updating from the
dedicated 32-bit chroot system image on my otherwise 64-bit workstation,
is likewise initscript controlled but in a non-default runlevel, and its
wireless hasn't been a big priority for me. I did try to get the netbook
wireless networking running at one point but failed, I believe due to a
kernel bug with the particular kernel I was running at the time. I've
since upgraded kernels but as I said, it hasn't been a big priority to
get
that working, and I've not gotten back to it.

As such I can't and won't attempt to deal with the networkmanager stuff
at
all. However, I can help with the following...

So my question is, what's the status of the autostart stuff: Shouldn't
it all be configurable through the standard control centre module which
stores its settings in the standard (~/.config/autostart)
directory?

Not really. The setting found in that location serve a specific purpose
-- USER configurable autostart (and auto-stop). It's not for general
KDE/
desktop services (there's a different place to configure that) or for
general system services (configured using whatever tools your
distribution
provides for setting up and configuring system initscripts and services).

Does KDE go scanning through ~/.kde4/share/config/ looking for
'Autostart=' in rc-files?

I don't believe so in general. However, knetworkmanager is evidently
(the
caveat about my not running it here applies, thus "evidently", based
purely on the evidence you reported above) available as a kde desktop
service if so configured, and this is /evidently/ the config-file
location
where that preference is stored. Presumably there's also a GUI option
controlling it somewhere, but since I don't have the software installed,
I
can't be sure where that might be.

First off, thanks for the detailed explanation of the autostart
locations, I've saved it to a text file as a reference.

However the problem is that although all those autostart locations you
detailed are managed by the Startup & Shutdown control centre module
nothing resembling networkmanager appears in that control centre module.
I think that's at least 2 bugs:

1) The fact that KDE scans rc-files in some fashion to start programs, a
behaviour that sounds hacky and probably isn't documented anywhere but
in the code itself. These programs should appear properly in Startup &
Shutdown->Services

2) A bug in knetworkmanager that it doesn't register itself in Startup &
Shutdown->Services

Not to mention that it's not the only program that does this. Going
through the icons in my control bar I see the following programs that
start with KDE, do not appear in Startup & Shutdown module and are not
widgets:
Klipper (.kde4/share/config/klipperrc)
Kmix (.kde4/share/config/kmixrc)
Size Change and Rotate (.kde4/share/config/krandrrc)
Korganizer Reminder Module (.kde4/share/config/korgacrc)

So if you have any of the following installed on your machine you'll be
able to see the same behaviour.

Tim
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