[kde] Re: Autostart locations in KDE4
- From: "Tim Edwards" <tkedwards@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:39:10 +0200
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:54 +0000, "Duncan" <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim Edwards posted on Thu, 02 Jun 2011 11:53:52 +0200 as excerpted:
Recently I found that knetworkmanager wasn't starting up when I logged
into KDE. I tried looking for any mention of it in the 'startup and
shutdown' control centre module, but no luck. Eventually I found a tip
on a forum that I had to set 'Autostart=true' in
FWIW I don't use networkmanager at all, here. I have two main systems
here. My workstation is setup with a constant wired Ethernet connection
that's started as one of the system init services. My netbook... isn't
really used as a /net/book but rather as a portable un-networked computer
most of the time. Its Ethernet, which I use for updating from the
dedicated 32-bit chroot system image on my otherwise 64-bit workstation,
is likewise initscript controlled but in a non-default runlevel, and its
wireless hasn't been a big priority for me. I did try to get the netbook
wireless networking running at one point but failed, I believe due to a
kernel bug with the particular kernel I was running at the time. I've
since upgraded kernels but as I said, it hasn't been a big priority to
that working, and I've not gotten back to it.
As such I can't and won't attempt to deal with the networkmanager stuff
all. However, I can help with the following...
So my question is, what's the status of the autostart stuff: Shouldn't
it all be configurable through the standard control centre module which
stores its settings in the standard (~/.config/autostart)
Not really. The setting found in that location serve a specific purpose
-- USER configurable autostart (and auto-stop). It's not for general
desktop services (there's a different place to configure that) or for
general system services (configured using whatever tools your
provides for setting up and configuring system initscripts and services).
Does KDE go scanning through ~/.kde4/share/config/ looking for
'Autostart=' in rc-files?
I don't believe so in general. However, knetworkmanager is evidently
caveat about my not running it here applies, thus "evidently", based
purely on the evidence you reported above) available as a kde desktop
service if so configured, and this is /evidently/ the config-file
where that preference is stored. Presumably there's also a GUI option
controlling it somewhere, but since I don't have the software installed,
can't be sure where that might be.
First off, thanks for the detailed explanation of the autostart
locations, I've saved it to a text file as a reference.
However the problem is that although all those autostart locations you
detailed are managed by the Startup & Shutdown control centre module
nothing resembling networkmanager appears in that control centre module.
I think that's at least 2 bugs:
1) The fact that KDE scans rc-files in some fashion to start programs, a
behaviour that sounds hacky and probably isn't documented anywhere but
in the code itself. These programs should appear properly in Startup &
2) A bug in knetworkmanager that it doesn't register itself in Startup &
Not to mention that it's not the only program that does this. Going
through the icons in my control bar I see the following programs that
start with KDE, do not appear in Startup & Shutdown module and are not
Size Change and Rotate (.kde4/share/config/krandrrc)
Korganizer Reminder Module (.kde4/share/config/korgacrc)
So if you have any of the following installed on your machine you'll be
able to see the same behaviour.
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