Re: [kde] Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.
- From: gene heskett <gheskett@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:58:11 -0500
On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 01:38:04 PM Duncan did opine:
Martin (KDE) posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:44:18 +0100 as excerpted:
I had similar problems about ten years ago and my solution to this was
setting up an imap mail server. With this I do all my filtering on the
server and I am free to use any client I want
- kmail and thunderbird on linux
- thunderbird on windows
- k9mail on android
- native mail program on ipod-touch
- any other imap aware client you can think of
Well, the OP in this thread is using IMAP and the new kmail is still
causing him problems...
All these clients gets the same filtered mails. Isn't this an option
for you?
Yes and no. My mail providers don't offer it, and I could run my own,
but there's little point, as I don't have but the one place I do mail
anyway, and even if I did run my own IMAP server, I'd still have to find
a mail client I was comfortable with to access that IMAP server from the
one location, so why even bother, when a good mail client bypasses the
need for me to run such a server entirely?
OK, so after nearly a decade of kmail working just fine as that mail
client, until the devs decided they couldn't leave well enough alone, I
found I needed another solution. But again, if I'm ultimately going to
need a client I'm comfortable with anyway, why complicate things by
throwing in an IMAP server when the client I'm going to need to be
comfortable with anyway can deal directly with my providers' POP3
servers?
Actually, throwing in extra functionality I don't need and that only
complicates things sounds like a rather familiar idea! I wonder where I
might have heard that before? Oh, yeah, that's why I was in the
situation in the first place, because the devs couldn't leave an
unbroken kmail unbroken!
Oh, well, I guess I should count myself lucky that I got that nine years
out of it. Not so much software works that well for that long, and if
claws-mail serves me another nine years, I guess I'll be as happy with
the lengthy usefulness of my choice as I am currently with its
functional practicality. =:^)
Btw: I once tried claws-mail as well, but this program did not fit my
needs. I currently use SOGo as groupware server besides my cyrus imap
server and afaik only thunderbird and kmail2 are able to handle
CalDAV/CardDAV correctly (on Linux). I no longer want to handle
addresses and appointments in different programs separately.
My situation is /vastly/ different from yours. Mobile phone and/or
internet simply hasn't yet fit my cost/benefit profile, and the
proprietary equipment choices don't help. Android's close enough to be
acceptable if the price was right, but as I said, I've not yet seen it
right, and unfortunately, the mobile-providers are moving away from
unlimited Internet again now, so the situation isn't likely to get
better out to at least the medium term.
And while I do have a netbook (gentoo/kde, built in a 32-bit chroot on
my workstation and ssh-rsynced), I really don't use the "net" bit of
it. Very close to 100% of my internet activities are on my workstation,
dual 1080p monitors, etc, so I really DO have little use for IMAP.
Sure, I could run an IMAP server on localhost, but as I said, it's all
single- point local anyway, so it might as well all be in the client,
which I'm going to have to be comfortable with in any case.
And I don't need an organizer/scheduler/calendar/groupware/nntp-client/
feed-reader/mail-client/im/irc-client/singing-baboons/dancing-monkeys-al
l- in-one! In fact, I don't need an organizer/scheduler at all, and I'm
more comfortable with async-style email, mailinglists and newsgroups
than sync-style im/irc, so I don't need those, either. I do use email,
mailinglists, newsgroups and feeds, but I prefer separate clients or at
least separate instances of the same client, for each of mail, lists,
groups and feeds. As it happens, I now have separate instances of
claws for mail and feeds, and separate instances of pan for news and
lists, so I'm pretty well set.
Some folks /want/ it all combined, as in konact, and that's fine... for
them. But it's not for me!
It's just too bad that kde now lacks a reasonable mail-only client (and
news-only client and feeds-only client, all three, but SEPARATE), even
if independently developed, without the heavyweight cost in terms of
resources, reliability and single-failure-point of akonadi. I do
understand the idea of shared functionality and reduced code
duplication, and for folks who want it all combined in one interface
and can tolerate the single-point-of-failure and reliability issues,
whether that's because they use server-based technologies or whatever,
akonadi and kontact may be WONDERFUL. But here, I just want my simple
to use and reliable separate apps back!
Maybe someday an independent kde dev will come along and start a "just
does X" client for each of those three Xs. Maybe not. If I'm lucky,
tho, they'll be started right away, and be reasonably mature and ready
for use when claws jumps the shark like kmail did, tho hopefully that
won't be for a decade or longer, if ever.
Interesting that you say claws, but this post came from the pan newsreader
according to its headers. It pointed out also that I need to apparently
increase the number of copies of spamd I have running as it failed on the
first call getting an X-Nasty-aren't-we inserted by procmail. Local
stuffs.
What I would like to do is start a conversation with someone who has bailed
on kmail & went to claws, and see just how hard it would be to convert my
box to that, including the importation of the whole, several Gigabyte, some
of it now approaching 10 years old, kmail email corpus into claws. All the
while continuing with my present fetchmail based system to deliver the
filtered email into /var/spool/mail/gene.
Like others, the ^#$%& churn in kmail's "accessory" tie-ins, without ever
fixing its most glaring fault, the lack of multi-threading vis-a-vis mail
fetching, is beginning to get under my skin.
This of course is off topic from the OP's subject line, sorry. Humm, no
I'm not, come to think of it, kde needs to better understand the users
viewpoint on stuff like this, and this is after all the kde (the whole
maryann) mailing list.
I have a lot of claws installed already, so the first thing is to import
the kmail email corpus into claws. And on that point, I have no clue, but
would assume the right search terms might find a tut on the web. My feeble
efforts haven't found it yet though.
Clues, URL's please, and thanks.
Cheers, Gene
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