Re: [kde] exporting from kmail (Was: Kmail2/Akonadi issue on FreeBSD.)
- From: gene heskett <gheskett@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 13:06:19 -0500
On Friday, December 02, 2011 11:59:34 AM Duncan did opine:
gene heskett posted on Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:53:16 -0500 as excerpted:
On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:52:24 AM Duncan did opine:
gene heskett posted on Tue, 29 Nov 2011 23:01:23 -0500 as excerpted:
I may have hit what is almost a show-stopper with claws. There
appears, from the .pdf of the docs I found, no way to have another
script send it a check mail command. And while I did find an
auto-check option in the preferences menu, it doesn't read as doing
what I need it to do, or the docs maybe are a bit old? kmail from
4.6.5, even from the 3.5.0+, has had a dbus socket that works very
well indeed using this line from my ~/bin/mailwatcher script:
Cmd define (word wrapped):
Cmd="/usr/lib/qt4/bin/qdbus org.kde.kmail /KMail
Invocation later in the script after having verified that kmail is
indeed running and there is new mail in /var/spool/mail/gene:
Is this dbus port indeed on the missing list?
I'm not aware of a dbus command for it -- that doesn't mean it
doesn't exist, I just never looked for it, but there's definitely a
scripted solution possible, as claws, like many mh-format mail
clients, is designed with exactly that sort of scripted
extensibility in mind.
Thanks Duncan, now I have something to look forward to.
After looking into it... it could hardly be simpler, so much so I feel a
bit like an idiot for not immediately suspecting and verifying this for
my earlier reply. Excerpt from claws-mail --help (and also covered in
the claws-mail manpage):
Usage: claws-mail [OPTION]...
--receive receive new messages
--receive-all receive new messages of all accounts
Now the commentary...
As I've mentioned previously, claws-mail uses a Unix socket for instance
But where is the sockets # defined?
Thus, when invoked with the above command, it'll check the
socket and if it finds an existing claws-mail instance listening on it,
it'll simply pass on the command over the socket. Now days, that
executable-binary-to-executable-binary communication would likely be
done over dbus, but of course this setup was implemented long before
dbus existed, so...
Yes, dbus make it easy, but it also has a few warts which require that the
receiver be present when the first command is sent, else one has to shut it
all down and restart things in the proper order. IMO, if the target
doesn't exist, dbus should dump to /dev/null, but as is, it blocks even
after the target becomes available.
In regard to receive vs receive-all, it can be noted that claws has a
notion of current account that I'm still getting used to. When you
setup accounts, you select one (normally the first one setup) as the
default, and that's the current account unless you've changed to a
different one. The simple --receive option just checks that one, I
think, while --receive-all checks them all.
I actually have kmail setup to check 2 local /var/spool/mail files, we have
a niece whom I route slightly different because she is on winderz and
frontiernet.net, which for some reason drives SA bonkers. So I route that
before SA even knows its there.
But I just read back thru that long thread we had on your mailcheck
script, and it reads as if you have everything pulled into the mail
spool before your mail client ever even gets involved at all.
Again, correct. Removing kmail from the fetch mechanics removes the 30
second or more freezes of the composer UI while typing a reply. Much more
pleasant for the user.
be that you only need a single receiving account as a result, and
simple -- receive will work for that.
(FWIW, claws does have the concept of send-only accounts as well. So
it's quite possible to have only one account with receive setup,
presumably as the default, and a bunch of send-only accounts, if you
Again, good guessing and correct. I did have 3 send accounts, gmail, my
lifetime account at the tv station, and of course my ISP, shentel. But
shentel started farming their email service out to gmail several months
ago, insists on a max 3 char password, which no longer works of course, and
to me its a shrug, no use fixing what I don't use. KMail, with its ability
to set the default send on a per folder basis means a mailing list reply I
send always comes from the subscribed account.
Also, on my feed-reader instance, I have only a single
"fake" send- only account setup for mail, since claws seems to need at
least that, and then have the feed plugin setup too, of course, with
its separate folders. Since I've only setup a fake account with it, I
don't have to worry if I accidentally hit "reply" to one of the feed
articles, since it couldn't go anywhere anyway.)
As for auto-checking, in preferences under receiving, there's two
checkboxes, one to check mail at startup, and one to check every N
minutes. Then each account has a checkbox for including it in the auto-
checks, or not.
I've seen that, but that does not sync with the incoming mail so its picked
up instantly. My bash script, "mailwatcher" using 'inotifywait' handles
this by detecting the closing of those files and sending the check mail cmd
If all you have is local accounts anyway, so you're not abusing a remote
server with unnecessarily frequent checks, couldn't you just set your
mail client, claws-mail or for that matter, kmail, to check for mail
every one minute? Then you shouldn't need the script at all. But it's
entirely possible there's something in your setup that's either not
going to allow that, or that you have both local and remote accounts,
and wouldn't want to set checking every minute, in ordered to avoid
abusing the remote accounts.
The remote accounts are checked at 3 minute intervals by fetchmail. gmail
of course loses that in the noise, and Jimmy said our new server at the tv
station has enough iron that I could check at 5 second intervals without
bothering it. Its a pair of dual core 2.6 Ghz zeon's or similar, 16 gigs
of ram & a couple terrabyte drives. Overkill for a 50 employee operation,
but Jim builds them from scratch. Usually in 3 space rack mounts one of
the engineering people builds from scratch too.
Now, I thank you for the attention, but I probably won't be doing much for
a day or 3 as I had a dime+ sized bit of a basal cell cancer removed from
my nose yesterday, and the usual bag under my right eye has turned into a
hell of a shiner, partially blocking my vision. No pain to speak of, one
of the advantages, if you can call it that, of being a diabetic. Worst
pain was putting in the 'cain, yesterday.
I don't really want to call these years the golden years though, they
darned sure aren't for wimps. :)
I almost had them move this procedure back a couple of days, as today is
also our 22nd anniversary. But if we go out for dinner, I'm going to have
to plead "yes, but you ought to see the other guy, he's a real mess" :)
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