Re: Things that Longhorn seems to be doing right

From: Alex Belits (abelits_at_phobos.illtel.denver.co.us)
Date: 10/30/03

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    Date:	Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:09:09 -0700 (MST)
To: Joseph Pingenot <trelane@digitasaru.net>

    On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Joseph Pingenot wrote:

    > >> them.
    > >Except, they didn't release a beta.
    > >They released a developer preview (not even alpha), mostly to show off
    > >the APIs.
    > >AFAIK the developer preview has no WinFS bits in it at all.
    >
    > Regardless, it's an interesting idea, and one which might be fruitful.

      There is another possibility -- that the only implementation of the
    standardized indexable/searchable format that Microsoft wants to base this
    system on is a horrendous resource pig, infected with inflexible
    restrictions and requirements, that everything will have to follow, and
    will be unable to do any further progress in various directions where
    non-Microsoft software has advantage.

      What most of XML-based formats certainly are. If further development
    will blindly take this road, we will lose huge amount of flexibility in
    exchange for a certain Microsoft-compatible (for a while) system of
    organizing data. But, say, using grep on a text file will become
    impossible without making a XML-ified file, and XML-ified grep. Pipes and
    sockets will have to be redesigned, too, and many kinds of low-level
    functionality that Unixlike systems enjoyed thanks to unified file
    descriptors and nonintrusive way of OS handling the data will become
    cumbersome second-class citizens in a world where structured data files
    (VMS? Mainframes?) and strong file-type binding (MacOS? PalmOS?) are what
    the system is based on. Not to mention niceties like having to stuff the
    whole expat into the kernel, and enjoy memory bloat and various kinds of
    DoS based on that. It won't harm Microsoft a single bit -- it would be
    their wet dream to outlaw all file formats but MS Office, and make every
    program talk through the Office-based interface, but it will turn Linux
    (or any other system that follows this idea) into something else.

    It may be a great idea to add additional interfaces that will provide
    a similar functionality through multiple userspace applications that will
    form another layer of data access. But those can't be just stuffed into
    kernel, or have one, set in stone format, imposed on files and queries. It
    may allow something compatible with Microsoft, but it certainly should not
    grant immortality to current incarnation of XML, SQL and derivatives of
    those. Linux's greatest strength is in providing good infrastructure, and
    just stuffing particular (bound to be bad) implementations of some ideas
    (that are not necessarily good beyond their basic core) into the system
    instead of providing sufficient infrastructure to provide those in various
    ways, makes it more like an ideologically-charged finished environment
    than an infrastructure for creating such environments. Microsoft always
    created narrowly-defined, bloated, followed-the-party-line environments
    that captured and confined the developers. There is no need to imitate
    that in a system that is known for being just the opposite. 

    -- 
Alex
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