Re: SATA support merge in 2.4.27

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Date:	Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT)
To: Willy Tarreau <w@w.ods.org>

Willy,

I do not drink. I have enough trouble keeping friends when I am sobber.
Sheesh, I worked for Merkey before and drinking and posting is a bad idea.

Point being, it was not important in the beginning ... so it is not
important now. Being consistant is one thing I have always been.

Regards,

Andre Hedrick
LAD Storage Consulting Group

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004, Willy Tarreau wrote:

> > Marcelo,
> >
> > You are suggesting that 2.6 is not stable ? How could that be ?
>
> Andre, ressure me, you were drunk ?
>
> A stable kernel is a kernel in which a new release does not induce 20 rejects
> when applying the same patches as on the previous one, and in which you can
> confidently upgrade to fix a security issue without worrying that everything
> else will break under your feet. I'm really happy that 2.4 *WILL* become
> stable with 2.4.27, and probably will be the first 2.4 kernel ready for far
> remote deployment. Since about 2.4.23, it has become a lot easier to maintain
> up-to-date parallel trees in sync with Marcelo's because of less core changes
> all the time, and I really thank him for this progressive feature freeze.
> When I'll have a fair insurance that 2.6 does not change so fast, may be I'll
> start to think about it. But right now, 2.6 only serves me as a boot loader
> in conjunction with Randy's kexec patch. Sad but true.
>
> > Should it not be backported to 2.2 and why not 2.0 ?
>
> I thought you were more aware than that about the number of people still
> using 2.0 and 2.2. They are "a lot". What does "a lot" mean ? Well, I think
> that there are more people still running production machines on 2.2 and 2.0
> than people who have ever used 1.0 or 1.2. And at these times, we considered
> that "a lot". I know some people who still install RedHat 6.2 from time to
> time. Why do they do this ? certainly because a standard 2.2.26 kernel +
> grsecurity offers them enough stability and security to satisfy their needs
> and not to have to upgrade every 4 months.
>
> > Necessary? But their is the new and improved called 2.6.
> > It is time for the old and lousy to quietly wimper off and die.
>
> I would better say that it's time for the old and stable to live long and
> quitely, and for the young baby to slowly discover the desktop world, then
> the production world before engaging its reputation on mission-critical
> systems.
>
> Regards,
> Willy
>
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