[RFC] Restoring HDIO_GETGEO semantics (was: Re: workaround for BIOS / CHS stuff)

From: Szakacsits Szabolcs (szaka_at_sienet.hu)
Date: 07/02/04

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    Date:	Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:17:53 +0200 (MEST)
To: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <patl@users.sourceforge.net>

              [kernel related notes are at the end]
    Hello,

    On 2 Jul 2004, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:

    Parted is looking for (co-)maintainers. Wouldn't you like to be?
    Guillaume? Somebody from SUSE, Red Hat, Debian, anybody? I think
    it's a real challenge in its current state ;)

    > Parted needs a mechanism to let me FORCE the geometry it uses. Every
    > other partitioning tool has this, usually via command-line switch.

    FORCE or FIX if it's _asked_. Fix but not the way parted does now,
    silently playing lottery. Only if user explicitely wants to do that, aka
    user knows he has a problem, e.g. old parted messed up the partition
    table.

    The majority of users doesn't really know what is bootloader, MBR,
    partition table, geometry, cylinder, sectors, etc and actually they
    shouldn't even know.

    Currently they blame the BIOS, LILO, GRUB, NTFS, FAT32, Microsoft,
    bootloaders, kernel, hardware, firmware, themself(!!), etc. Parted
    is so hidden, embedded in tools, installers and behaves so randomly
    then I think it was very difficult to realise how broken it is, over
    the years.

    > Having such [geometry] guesswork in Parted itself is a design error,

    Yes. Parted must get the geometry from the partition table unless

            1) the partition table is empty

            2) asked to fix the partition table

            3) asked to use user provided values

    1) and 2) need a way to get a "sane" geometry from the BIOS or kernel.

    Nevertheless, fixing Parted and all broken tools, that trust the kernel
    getting the most-of-the-time-right-geometry, won't fix the problem
    immediately because nobody can replace all these tools in the wild from
    one day to the other. Transition would take several years.

    Does anybody find the new HDIO_GETGEO semantic useful? Did it help
    _anything_?

    Because the semantic change did break many people data, installations
    permanently and keeps doing so every day.

    Please also note, so far nobody stepped forward to fix parted.

            Szaka

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