Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

On Jun 19, 2007, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The GPLv2 is the one that allows more developers.

The GPLv2 is the one that is acceptable to more people.

Based on my understanding that the anti-tivoization provisions are
*the* objectionable issue about GPLv3 for those of you who dislike
GPLv3, this is circular reasoning:

anti-tivoization is bad
=> we reject licenses with it
=> there are fewer developers willing to develop with such licenses
=> anti-tivoization is bad



Face it, the "open source" crowd is the *bigger* crowd.

I really don't know about that. I can believe it may be so in LKML.

I haven't really seen a single one. Last I did the statistic, I asked the
top ~25-30 kernel developers about their opinion. NOT A SINGLE ONE
preferred the GPLv3.

Wow, that's a really big sample among all Free Software and Open
Source developers out there. And not even a little bit biased at
that.

So I have actual *numbers* on my side. What do you have, except for a
history of not actually understanding my arguments?

Which is worse, not understanding or repeatedly snipping out and
addressing unrelated points?


Let's please try again.

I'll try to keep it simple, since you can't seem to be able to grasp
the entire argument, and keep disregarding essential parts, disputing
unrelated points and jumping to the conclusions that you've disputed
the point I was trying to make.

I'll present it in parts, as an attempt to stop you from making this
mistake, that I'm sure is not intentional.

The first part is in this e-mail.


Dispute this:

non-tivoized hardware => users can scratch their itches => more
contributions from these users

tivoized hardware => users can't scratch their itches => fewer
contributions from these users


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