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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:18:19 -0600

It is a general rule around here that if you have probs with a Windows
PC, reboot it first before calling for help. :-)

Ben Yau wrote:
> Hey all
>
> something entertaining for you guys... off topic. Hope no one minds.
>
> While I still remain quite technologically agnostic (most of the time), I
> still maintain that for most cases windows is better kept on the desktop and
> out of the data center.
>
> So there's a programmer here I joke around with. He has a laptop and
> desktop both running XP Pro and he's programming a java mail client to talk
> to our redhat linux mail server port 25. It stopped working this afternoon
> (around 3pm) and around 4:30pm he asks me what we did to the mail server.
> Short debugging shows that laptop and desktop both can ping the mail server.
> Desktop gets a connection telnetting to port 25 on mail server. Laptop
> doesn't get the connection.
>
> I'm confident the mail server is fine, we had no reason to touch it this
> afternoon.
>
> "Oh come on you guys changed something-..."
>
> (At this time I was reading the SAMBA how-to collection with the nice quote
> about Microsoft from Linus Torvalds so you can tell what kind of mindset I'm
> in ) (P.S. I will append the quote at the bottom. It's quite LONG but good
> reading)
>
>
> "Hey, isn't your laptop Windows?"
>
> "Yeah."
>
> "Reboot it."
>
> "What? Come on."
>
> "No seriously."
>
> "Give me a legit reason."
>
> "You're running on windows.. that's legit."
>
> And I get to feeling a little daring.
>
> "Come on, I'll give you even odds it'll be fixed when you reboot"
>
> Moral of the story.. if you do want to make money, try to sucker them in
> with better odds. Like 3 to 1 or something. :) Maybe that way they'll take
> the bet. Yes, for some reason it worked after rebooting.
>
>
> Cheers-
> Ben Yau
> Here's the quote (it is in the SAMBA How-To Collection.pdf in chapter 1)
>
> **
>
> What's fundamentally wrong is that nobody ever had any taste when they has
> been very much into making the user interface look good, but internally
> complete mess. And even people who program for Microsoft and who have had
> experience, just don't know how it works internally. Worse, nobody dares
> change dares to fix bugs because it's such a mess that fixing one bug might
> just programs that depend on that bug. And Microsoft isn't interested in
> anyone they're interested in making money. They don't have anybody who takes
> pride 95 as an operating system.
>
> People inside Microsoft know it's a bad operating system and they still
> continue working on it because they want to get the next version out because
> they these new features to sell more copies of the system.
>
> The problem with that is that over time, when you have this kind of
> approach, nobody understands it, because nobody REALLY fixes bugs (other
> than when obvious), the end result is really messy. You can't trust it
> because under circumstances it just spontaneously reboots or just halts in
> the middle of something strange. Normally it works fine and then once in a
> blue moon for some completely reason, it's dead, and nobody knows why. Not
> Microsoft, not the experienced certainly not the completely clueless user
> who probably sits there shivering thinking I do wrong?" when they didn't do
> anything wrong at all.
>
> That's what's really irritating to me."
> - Linus Torvalds, from an interview with BOOT Magazine, Sept 1998
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
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