Re: [SLE] GUI webpage program needed

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To: suse-linux-e@suse.com
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:01:41 -0800

On Saturday 20 September 2003 14:04, David Krider wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 01:00, John Andersen wrote:
> > There's just nothing good in linux at the moment,
> > at least nothing to compare to dreamweaver or Front Page
> > in terms of a complete tool.
>
> You mean in terms of spraying your code with redundant and useless tags?
> You're right. The Windows world is indeed way ahead in this regard.
> Honestly, it doesn't take much serious web work before you hit the
> limits of FrontPage, and start feeling cramped and disgusted with its
> peculiarities.

> Just skip ahead and start learning to use VIm or Emacs. I mean _really_
>use them. Not just to understand that VIm is a mode-ful editor, but how
>to use multiple windows, extensive regular expressions, marks, syntax
>highlighting, etc. Once you really get good with one of those, you'll
>wonder what you could have done with all the time you were wasting with
>FrontPage.

Sigh...
There's always one of you guys lurking about to puff up you chest
and show us what a MAN you are because you do everything by hand
with just a text editor, and how you SUCH are a pureist because you still
cling to one of the most useless backward editors ever invented.

Statefull editor indeed,

Let me ask you this hot shot... Do you write your documents in HPCL
when you want to print on a laserjet, or embed the Epson control characters
(by hand) when you want to print on that old dot matrix?

No? Why not, that is after all exactly what you suggest for HTML!
Why do you insist on doing everything by hand? This is the year 2003
not 1983. Take a a look at the internet around you!! 90% of all web pages
are generated by machine generated code.

Oh, let me guess....

  You want the CONTROL (wankers always claim they want the control)
   of your html, and you want to be sure Dreamweaver of FrontPage does
   not insert one extra phrase in your PERFECT html....

   Your code is pristine and percect an those useless extra tags that get
   inserted would keep you awake nights...

   The extra tags make the page load SOOO MUCH SLOWER, (like
   anyone would notice), and god knows your spew is so important
   that you have to deliver it quickly...

   But mostly running around boasting about your html skills is your
   only source of satisfaction.

Look, The OP wanted a GU!. He has 10 or 20 editors already installed
to choose from and could use any one of them, but he wanted a GUI.
So if you have nothing to offer, just don't waste everybody's time posting
the neanderthal drivel about VI or Emacs. Its clear you haven't got a
clue about what either Dreamweaver or Frontpage is all about if you
think one of these lame pre-historic editors can possibly substitute for
the site wide management capabilities, cooperative content creation,
sitewide reorganization, graphical layout, site wide link checking,
site wide spell checking, and a host of other capabilities that these
packages produce.

And if you can only get limited designs out of FrontPage its a testomony
to your incompetance, not FrontPages. And if you think Access is the
only data base either of these pachages is capable of useing you are
totally mistaken. (Not that the vast majority of web sites need
databases anyway).

The statement that there is nothing in Linux to compare to Dreamweaver
or FrontPage for speed of devlopment, maintenance, authoring, and
deployment of slick sites still stands.

None of your ranting about 1980's tools changes that fact.

Now run along and put some fresh tape on your glasses,
and find another girly magazine to slime with your pathetic
hand jobs...

> You'll thank me later,
> dk

Not bloddy likely.

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