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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:40:18 -0500

On Sunday 21 November 2004 8:21 am, you wrote:
> > I keep seeing this "much higher price" but as I remember it was the same
> > price as I got it for the last time I bought  the full boxed version.
> >  Please tell me how much more it is costing you. And how long ago it was
> > you bought the version before this one.
>
> Well it was purchased from Novell at a rate of $99.95 (which included
> freight).  It was the Pro version.

Okay, 9.0 and 9.1 were each $89 not counting tax and shipping, , the
ubiquitous "shipping and Handling" which , like death and taxes are a duo of
life it seems no one can escape. <G> Depending on where you live ( sales
taxes vary widely from, location to location , and shipping is distance
related. ) I'll bet the "S & H" come to at least $10 ... and there is your
"hard earned money" w/ the actual cost not any higher than it's ever been.

> And there is always the install from the ftp site option. The only thing
that
> > didn't happen and wont apparently is the Home version. That was always
less
> > money, but it had a lot less in it. Still, if you bought any of it you can
> > download and install any of the individual programs from Suse's ftp site.  
> ftp goes live several months later.
This time, possably because they had more manpower available, it went up less
than one month from the packaged release! So roughly 4 weeks after I got my
boxed SUSE pro, anyone who wished could download and install the same thing.

> Besides not everybody can live without the books.  I can because of using
SuSE for about 8 years.

Yes, and you will save $30 by getting that during the '.1 etc. versions. It
will probably also cost less to ship it and sales tax, which is based on the
in this case "dollar" value of the purchase ( US dollars here in this
illustration. ) So you are well on your way to another years purchase of the
full pro version. It's hard work, but you can likely , tho waiting a bit to
get the newer .x releases, but downloading the items to your hard drive and
making your own cds is possible, and will save time on future installs or
adding software etc.

<Snipped>
> True that tecnology moves on.  However,  many people do not need or want
> a DVD.  SuSE could have supplied for the 99.95 dollars at least two more
> CDs  4.7GB = 1 DVD and 3.5GB = 700Mbx5 CD  I bet one more would have
> fixed the problem.
 that math is not correct. As Anders Johansson pointed out earlier in this
discussion the dvds are double layered in other; words they hold , IF I
remember correctly, 9.6 or 7 GB. When I was looking at these double layered
or whatever they are dvds It was to keep my editing chores on one single, or
no more than two backup disks per backup. And it seems my old Sony DVDR +/-
RW can read them.

But I digress, the point is, it's more than you think and actually would raise
the costs if you think of the work of assembling the extra Cds , and
formatting the media to send to the print shop.. ( the guys who make the dvds
and package them up. ) It would be to use Togan's penny per CD ( I'm certain
it's more, but for the sake of this discussion lets use it. And let us say
that it would be and extra two or three CDs per package.Multiply the cost
for one package by at least the minimum number the shop will accept to print.

Many of these sorts of places have minimum purchase amounts. And no one knows
for certain how many they will need to print for the first run.. Plus there
will be the added weight in the package; before the books go into the box.
And the usual fudge factors one must take into account . And you will get a
price boost at some point for certain. You aren't missing much, and perhaps
you can find a friend w/ a Dvd unit and you can break individual packages out
to install. IF there is anything needed to actually use the distro, it's on
those cds . I know that for certain, since my kid doesn't have a dvd unit in
her computer..

> > IF you want a completely non paying system, download the bits from all the
> > sites and roll your own.
> Well this doesn't apply to me.  However, I don't like buying broken
> software. So you would rather Suse put in the software libraries, and pay
those royalties, and you think they should just eat that cost? Since
apparently there is no reason for them to raise the price that you guys were
complaining about ? Even as a lateral thinker, that doesn't seem logical to
me.

>  xine is broken and all of it is geared to a
>    i586.

It ISN'T broken, it doesn't have some of the movie dvd stuff in the box,
because of copyright issues, w/ the EU as well as well known objections by
RIAA here. MS paid ( still is paying?) huge royalties so they can have the
box play movies strait out of it's crate. The situation in the EU is somewhat
watchful at the moment, It seems they will buy into the royalty stuff that
the RIAA want. Tho now at least one country is taking a stand against that
sort of draconian measure. If the EU insist on the royalty scheme, at least
that country has said it will not join.

Anyway, you can go to packman.links2linux.org, and you will find the bits that
are added, libraries and some other things , so xine will play movies. Tho,
unless you are on the longest plane ride in the current world, why would you
waste your time playing a movie , which you can only watch on a 21 inch
screen??? That isn't how the movies were meant to be seen. We planned most
things, and especially the '2nd unit" stuff... generally stunts and special
effects, w/ the idea that people would be seeing it on a 6 ft or larger
screen. The whole things tends to lose a bit in the translation to the telly.
And I have a huge screen on mine.

On the little screens, a lot of the impact, or the story as well as the
effects tend to not quite be as they were intended.

> > that are constantly awash in red ink just go away... ask anyone who fell
>> in love w/ BeOS. When Jean Louis ran out of cash, it basically died. And
>>as we repeatedly say programmers have to eat, pay rent, feed the kids,
cats,dogs, car, tax man etc. etc. too.
> Well if you are lucky your job won't get shipped to India
Nope, it wont, I have an ownership interest in the company. They can't afford
to pay anyone else to do this stuff <G>

Besides, do you believe that Indian people don't eat, have kids, families,
homes etc that must be paid for ? The idea that everyone there just sort of
wanders about begging is based on a rather racist view of the world. Kim
wasn't real, it was a book and then , several times, a movie.

Indian peoples, as do Pakistani ,Chinese, Bangledeshi , and any other folks
they can pay to do the scut work. Perhaps Afghanistan will get in on the pie
eventually. <G>

> Well maybe if people that promote SuSE should be listened to.  This wa
> the first time that I was able to use the DVD.  It worked nice but the
> scripts coming from it fail.

I'm sorry about that, did you note any particular messages that fail?

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