Re: [SLE] Gnome disappointment

From: Steven T. Hatton (hattons_at_globalsymmetry.com)
Date: 11/08/05

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    On Tuesday 08 November 2005 03:25 am, devosc wrote:
    > I dont really comment much, but I recently have had thoughts maybe related.
    >
    > In my opinion I would love to see Gnome as the default desktop, that
    > said, but not with KDE installed also. I think I read awhile back that
    > there is a difference in the languages used to build each, c/c++ ?
    > dunno... but in my experience Gnome had always seemed to have a better
    > response time as a desktop, mouse movements was what I noticed...

    Since I have absolutely no delays with the mouse using the KDE, I can't
    compare that to anyting. As for the underlying language used, yes, the GNOME
    is written in C, not C++. If anything, that means it will be slower if both
    languages are utilized to their fullest reasonable extent. But that speed
    different may not be significant when dealing with GUIs. I do believe it is
    harder to write well structured applications in C. Gtk does have a C++
    wrapper, and there is work on a C# wrapper, but the last I looked (a few
    months ago), C# and Mono were still not quite all there. I will say that
    Mono seems like the best thing going for GNOME. People may object to "buying
    into" technology promoted by the monopolistic software vendor, but there are
    advantages to going with the flow at times.

    > Obviously I love Gnome, but ultimately I'm still using KDE
    > applications... primarily Knonqueror, Kate...

    Sheez! Konqueror is basically the heart of the KDE.

    > FireFox is wonderfull in Gnome, pretty much everything is (but I've
    > had no cause to log into KDE).

    Firefox should work well under the GNOME, it's built with the same toolkit.

    > There might be valid points about dependencies etc, in Gnome,
    > personally I think I found that installing everything including the
    > Development packages is one step closer to reducing the hunt for
    > dependent packages.

    The dependency problames may be a question of no-one putting in the effort to
    get things right. But it may be an indication that it's harder to get things
    right with GNOME.

    > However, I dont really have the time, or mind to get into that side of
    > things with SuSE/Linux, I just need something that helps me get the
    > few things that I need done etc, so in this respect, my only reason
    > for upgrading is when their might be newer versions of applications
    > that I would like to use... Gnome being one of them.
    >
    > But with the above said, and the comment about SuSE Plugger not being
    > fixed, I'm seriously considering why is it worth be sending off the $x
    > dollars for distro disks and manuals... when something like the bug in
    > (Gnome ?) SuSE Plugger/Watcher is not being fixed...

    Have you filed a bug report, or asked for help?

    > as opposed to
    > finding/installing newer versions of SuSE at no cost.... admittedly
    > each instance of $x dollars might be trivial but over the years ==
    > $MS....

    If your primary reason for using free software is simply to forego the cost of
    paying for a license, please stop using it.

    > I just hope that a portion of the money spent actually does
    > get back to the developers of these applications, eg. KDE, Gnome
    > etc...

    I suspect that is a very mixed bag. Some developers get paid by other means,
    some don't get paid anything. Some get paid big bucks. Few opensource
    developers are in it primarily for the money.

    Steven 

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