Re: [SLE] ...and speaking of SuSE / Novell...
From: Curtis Rey (crey_at_san.rr.com)
To: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:10:23 -0800
On Sun November 13 2005 09:53, Anders Johansson wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 10:20 -0800, Curtis Rey wrote:
> > As will I. The plan would be something like this. Back up all data to
> > disc/DVD. Wipe all hard discs. Install and config new fork/branch.
> > Subscribed to new distro mailing lists. Unsubscribe from all Novell/SuSE
> > mailing lists. Never utter the word Novell again if humanly possible.
> KDE will not be dropped, please stop these useless threads, it is WRONG!
> But even if KDE were dropped, don't you think this is just a wee bit of
> an exaggerated reaction?
> Curtis, whatever it is you're smoking, you should know that it's most
> likely only allowed on medical grounds
Dear Anders. My sentiments are deftly echoed by Mr Rosenberg's post, about 6
posts down the thread.
"It's now wrong because people freaked right the hell out and they had
to surcome to the pressure from their userbase."
Firstly, I do realize the press release focused on their enterprise products
(e.g. SLES), but it bodes to a larger shift in the internal infrastructure
that's happening at Novell. Furthermore, to quote Ben again:
"Why would we have chosen SUSE in the first place if not for how they do
Why would I stay with SuSE if it morphs so far away from what originally
attracted me to the distro in the first place? The bottom line for me is two
fold. The primary reason I chose SuSE was because the way the product was
put together, from the kernel up to the desktop. Secondly, the other thing
that attracted me to SuSE was it's community. If the community is
effectively cut out of the picture in deference to the corporate paradigms, I
have to wonder what's next. It's not just a shift from GNOME to KDE - though
this is an essential part of many's dismay, it an overwhelming sense of SuSE
being essentially gutted of what makes it... well SuSE. The other thing that
I found disturbing was Mr Mantel's resignation, one that strongly hints at
the larger internal strife that is happening within the corporate ranks at
The bottom line is this. As GNOME was secondary to KDE previously, KDE is
apparently slated to fall to the type of piece meal devel that I've seen with
GNOME in previous SuSE releases. Hence, KDE operations will become spotty
and inferior simply because resources formerly used to develop it will no
longer be available. Pair this with my observation that GNOME's user
interface is often obtuse, and in some ways arcane, doesn't fill me with
There's a reason why many of the desktop users on this list use SuSE. One is
becuase of the core development team and the other because of the GUI devel.
Now we see a major shift in this facet of the OS and many feel that this will
essentially cause them untold difficulties - akin to learning the OS all over
again in some respects.
So, if my reaction seems exaggerated it is because many of us fear the
inevitable is occurring. This goes back to the previous power struggle and
bad blood between the KDE and GNOME devel teams. I'm sure there are quite a
few reasons that Novell took the initial decision regarding the GUI of
choice. However, I can't escape my gut feeling that this is also a vailed
vendetta that's being played out.
Novell bought Ximian and KDE came with the SuSE acquisition. In otherwords
someone probably feels that this is round two (or three) for the ongoing
KDE/GNOME conflict. One a more personal note, I can't escape the impression
that someone high up in the GNOME/Ximian team convinced those at Novell that
the best use of the Ximian purchase would be to emulate RH and therein place
GNOME resources and development priorities above that of KDE. Novell didn't
put out a fair sum of cash for KDE, but they did for Ximian. Given the
latest shake-up at Novell and the ensuing lay offs there are only so many
resources available and this was most likely an opportune time to make
political moves to supplant KDE's dominance over GNOME. I could be dead
wrong - but that's what my gut tells me.
Lastly, my confidence in Novell's decision process is not strengthened, given
their prior history. They have made a bonehead or two in the past. Not to
mention that the former executives that were formerly at the helm at Novell
are now the upper echelon at.... You guessed it - THE CANOPY GROUP - and
what a fun lot they are. This hints at a mono-culture, and there's another
software maker that has that dubious honor as well - and many on this list
are using Linux specifically to avoid said software maker.
If my fears are justified (one way or the other), I see GNOME becoming more
mature and congent - at least to some extent. But I feel the majority of
users on the SuSE list chose SuSE because of, not only the core kernel work,
but for the desktop development that focused on KDE. Gnome was second string
for a reason. If Gnome becomes the overt focus of resource management and
development then what's going to happen to KDE? As I previously stated, it
will fall to second string and likewise suffer due to poor resources and
support. At that point, along with core changes to the original devel team
(that IMHO makes SuSE - SuSE) what's the point? There are plenty of other
distros out there to chose from - and frankly I would have no hesitation
switching over to a distro that made the shrewd move of hiring Mr Mantel -
he's is one of the essential factors that made SuSE what it is today and will
likely do the same with another Linux maker - whom ever they may be.
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