Re: [SLE] ...and speaking of SuSE / Novell...

From: Ken Schneider (suse-list_at_bout-tyme.net)
Date: 11/17/05

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    On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 19:46 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
    > On 11/17/05, Peter Van Lone <petervl@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    > > right .. it's called experience. 600 hours is only 15 weeks of
    > > experience. I don't have a problem with it, and did not complain. What
    > > I orginally said was "stop calling names of linux newbies that
    > > rely/use the GUI on a server to get work done"
    > >
    >
    > Yes, I agree that calling newbies names for using a GUI is wrong.
    > I have seen a number of newbies that start out with installing a GUI
    > on a server, until I show them that it is not really needed.
    > Now they run GUI stuff they need over ssh to thier workstations. :-)
    >
    > I think one thing where MS damaged people is by instilling this idea
    > that a good server should have a GUI.
    > When I was still a Windows user, I used to think of UNIX as an old,
    > outdated system, with a horrible user-interface. All mono-chrome..
    > That was until I actually saw a real live UNIX machine and worked on
    > it. It opened my eyes.
    > I was lucky, I suppose, that my first interaction with UNIX was from a
    > Sun Sparcstation, running CDE, with telnet sessions to an HP
    > development server.
    > I never really used the Sun box for anything else, than it's X-server,
    > so I could run Nedit (a graphical editor) on the HP box.
    >
    > > lists of people carping about "noobs that put a gui on a server" ...
    > > well, damn ... if it makes the transition and traslation to linux
    > > easier why, as a linux advocate, would you (not you personally) want
    > > to be so freaking hostile about it?
    >
    > I don't have a problem with noobs putting a GUI on a server, I have a
    > problem with experienced admins running a GUI on a server. (I did not
    > mean to offend noobs, sorry)

    Then why offend experienced admins that use a GUI to admin a machine?
    Not all configs are easily handled via the CLI and there are fewer
    possibilities of making errors using a well written GUI that uses syntax
    checking. I happen to use and like using webmin for doing a lot of my
    admin work, not all but enough. Actually makes it easier to admin
    postfix. 

    -- 
Ken Schneider
UNIX  since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE  since 1998
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