Re: [SLE] ...and speaking of SuSE / Novell...

From: Ben Rosenberg (red.kryptonite_at_gmail.com)
Date: 11/17/05

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    Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:03:52 -0800
To: suse-linux-e@suse.com

    On 11/17/05, Ken Schneider <suse-list@bout-tyme.net> wrote:
    >
    > On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 19:46 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
    > > On 11/17/05, Peter Van Lone <petervl@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >
    >
    > I don't have a problem with noobs putting a GUI on a server, I have a
    > > problem with experienced admins running a GUI on a server. (I did not
    > > mean to offend noobs, sorry)
    >
    > Then why offend experienced admins that use a GUI to admin a machine?
    > Not all configs are easily handled via the CLI and there are fewer
    > possibilities of making errors using a well written GUI that uses syntax
    > checking. I happen to use and like using webmin for doing a lot of my
    > admin work, not all but enough. Actually makes it easier to admin
    > postfix.

    Well, I never said I had issue with new users putting X on their servers or
    using things like YaST to admin their machines.. it was not what I was
    saying with the email I sent. What I had taken offense to was the same ole
    same ole crap of saying Linux was hard because people had to actually learn
    the methodology of UNIX/Linux. It really irks me when recent converts come
    onto this list and start talking the same ole tired bull*** about how Linux
    should change to fit their needs.. if Windows suited their needs then they
    wouldn't be looking elsewhere. They obviously had to learn Wndows, Netware
    or whatever at some point so they shouldn't complain that they have to read
    HowTo's or something like the Linux Bible to get going. This is complicated
    stuff because it can be anything the user wants it to be... and if they can
    find a GUI config tool to get their work done.. more power to them. I use
    Postfix Enabler on my Powerbook because it makes setting up Postfix so easy
    a monkey could do it.

    Again, my objection to earlier emails wasn't the use of a UI but the dissing
    of Linux because it is not Windows and the complaint that they might have to
    RTFM or ask someone how to do something that they could do in 30 minutes
    under Windows because they had years of experience using Windows. One
    doesn't just walk into a room and start talking *** about the host and
    other guests .. being humble and willing to do a bit of leg work is
    respectable.. saying that everyone in the room should immediately take up
    their way of thinking just because they've appeared on the scene is total
    crap.

    Note: Ken, I'm not talking about you but about the lazy bastards who can't /
    won't learn the methodology of UNIX/LInux without doing the "Linux won't
    take up market share until it's more like Windows." .. we're not here to
    make sure Linux gets market share... we're hear to make sure those who come
    seeking help.. are well.. helped. But this doesn't mean we have to kowtow to
    every recent convert who sends a subscribe email. ;D

    -Ben 

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