Re: [SLE] Menu font for Firefox almost fixed

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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:35:55 -0500

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 10:07 pm, Felix Miata wrote:

...........<snip redundant stuff>...........

> gnome-control-center ought to be able to change all your GTK2 apps to
> use whatever fonts you please, either via DPI, or more directly
> through the font chooser. For GTK1, forget it. This is why GTK2 was
> developed. Everything else ought to be adequately controled through
> KDE Control Center.

Felix,
almost fixed - see below. But I would like to comment/ask about the
following stuff so I can learn more.

Although I have GTK1 (gnomecc) installed I don't think any of my present
apps use it. Probably should uninstall it and see what happens. Now, I
looked in GTK2 (gnome-control-center) very carefully. I find a way to
set the screen resolution but nothing for the dpi. I am supposing from
some past email exchanges that X is supposed to know ??

.....<snip more>........
>
> > > I presume 'chkconfig --list' shows xfs is 5:on.
> >
> > Nooooooo........Actually everything in chkconfig is "off" ,
> > including xfs.

> AFAIK xfs feeds GTK1 apps their fonts. Are you using any of those? If
> not it shouldn't matter.
>
If everything in chkcinfig --list is off does that mean that gnomecc is
not doing anything? ( a conclusion from an earlier statement)
>
..........<snip lots more>...................
>
> You can see in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267194
> that Akkana & I had more recent discussion, just over one year ago.
> It seems I've learned enough since then that I need to update that
> page again.
>
OK, read that with interest. Supposedly everything was fixed. Didn't
know you were a developer. Thanks

........<snip more>............

> I spent quite some time today with SuSE 9.2. Here's a summary of
> today's 9.2 work:
> http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/ff-gtk2-dpi.html

OK. Read that page several times. Even printed it out and re-read it
several times. Made me think about everything we have done.
>
> Every method of controlling the system DPI Firefox uses (and
> consequently its UI font sizes) that I tried today worked:

OK. but it did not for me, except that I tried a couple more things. As
per # 3 below. Evidently there is something else which intervenes.
>
> 1-Exclusively via Xft.dpi: in Xresources (not reflected in
> xfpyinfo/Kinfocenter output)
> 2-Exclusively via DisplaySize in xorg.conf/XF86Config
> 3-Exclusively via -dpi # as a startx parameter
>
> browser.display.screen_resolution currently affects only web page
> absolute sizes, not UI fonts.

Understood. That is what I have experienced for a long time.
>
> I believe you should be able to run your native 1600x1200 resolution
> and have fonts suitable for your needs, if you have critical need for
> no GTK1 apps. QT and GTK2 have evolved to present users with the
> means to control fonts, little by little, version by version. As of
> 9.2, Firefox in particular, and I believe probably most GTK2 apps, do
> not dynamically take font size changes, but instead require a restart
> for
> gnome-control-center's configuration changes to take effect. The
> included GTK2 version does include gnome-settings-daemon, and NAICT,
> gnome-control-center is what calls it from deep in the /opt tree, not
> any user's .rc files.
>
> I have to believe if you can't follow the procedures we've already
> discussed that you're experiencing some obscure contiguration bug
> that would unlikely survive an upgrade to 9.3 or 10.0. An upgrade,
> whether clean install or otherwise, would probably also prune away
> more legacy GTK1 apps. It's only about 3 months since I retired my
> SuSE 8.2 1997 hardware server for something much newer, currently
> running Mandrake 2006, but targeted for SuSE 10.0.

OK, and I thank you. Here is what I found. I dropped back to level 3 and
tried, several times. to enter the dpi parameter for startx. It choked
and brought me back to the logon screen. I then just did a plain startx
in frustration and lo & behold it started with the 96 dpi resolution.
What a wonderful difference. ( I had tried this earlier as to your
suggestion but it didn't work. Probably because I had not yet edited
the Xresources file)

After doing that xdpyinfo reported screen resolution as 1600x1200 (no
change) screen size as 432x321 ( as opposed to it's former 542x406 mm)
and dpi as 94x95 (as opposed to it's former 75x75) Progress here. This
is what it is supposed to be.
> --
Now, here is where I am at. If I start the OS with the graphical init 5
I get the wrong paarameters. If I start at init 3 and do a startx it
starts x with the proper parameters. I repeated this drill 3 or 4 times
to verify the behavior.

WHAT ?? is causing this ??

Thanks so much for your help so far.

Bob S.

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